I find it a little egotistical to say that we started all of this, much of the middle east is still in recovery from the Arab Spring a few years ago, and although you could say we triggered that with deposing Hussein and war with Al Qaeda, well both things were inevitable at some point. Iran was never going to be cowed by Hussein forever, especially as they grew in military power over the last few years, and Hussein was losing what little allies he did have.
Another thing about the Iraq War, is that many politicians signed off on it, and many of them did it on the back of falsified information, which they had no idea had been falsified. It's not like Hillary held all the power in that decision, her party wasn't even in government at that point. No one is blameless in that clusterfuck.
It should be stated, Iraq did have WMD, just not the kind/type we were looking for. WMD does not just mean nuclear, it also means chemical, which we found plenty of. Part of why that mess is so difficult to untangle is that its not wholesale false.
Exactly. Sad thing is, in Poland we are probably going to have similar elections in three years. The political scene is torn between corrupt liars and corrupt liars.
ok getting alittle miffed at the fact ppl think im a trumpist
i need to repost my political compass , i was far libertarian left , lol the only person more lib socialist was ghandi
i was farther left than Stalin for gods sack
i have also said on more than 3 occasions that the democrats have to win
i cant stand trump , ok i will admit that of the 2 evils i think trump is the lesser , why ? well because so far trump has said he would do bad shit while hillery has actually done bad shit (voting for iraq war ,voting for patriot act ect, Benghazi)
i have said many many times that i support and would vote for gill stein and im hoping that by highlighting hillerys flaws more ppl will vote for gill stien or for gary johnson if there a republican't
this current us election is a very bad joke
on a side not i watched "13 hours: secret solders of Benghazi" last night
excellent film, best micheal bay film i ever saw , a visceral experience
it makes no mention above pentagon lvl but its clear that state (headed by hillery at the time) left those guys hanging with their dicks in the wind
someone at high lvl (presumably hillery or obama) wouldn't even allow an f16 "fuck you where here" fly by to try and frighten the rebals off
ok to anyone who thinks the uprisings in libya and syria were genuine , you need to understand that the US has over thrown over 50 regimes since the end of ww2
i have been trying to find a short documentary on this subject but all the good ones are too long , so youl have to look that up for yourselfs , id recommend starting with abby martins empire files number's 1, 2 and 26. each are about 20 mins long and highly illuminating
the Benghazi attack lasted 13 hours
the closest f16's were 2 hours away
the ppl in the base were calling up us air bases begging for a f16 fly by to discourage the attackers yet no f16s ever got there
why ?
because they was ordered by obama or hillery to stand down
which means they left those ppl to die !
this election is an exercise for ppl to pick the lesser evil
but the lesser evil is still evil !
ok just saw this vid
for me boogie has hit the nail right on the head with his point
"i am an old man and i am sick of having to pick the lesser of 2 evils"
that's absolutely how i feel at this point
i also think his point about being in a deep color state where your vote wont make a difference then you should vote 3rd party is very important
Yes, exactly like there was no stand down order on 9/11. Please don't start with crazy conspiracy stuff. One thing I like about this place is we avoid going down that rabbit hole of stupid.
If anything Wikileaks is even less reliable than the media. The dumps are just as politically motivated as anything in the media only there's no control over what gets posted or by who and there's absolutely no attempt to fact check the material.
Media is reporting on wikileaks, there is just a lot of them. Remember how long it took to parse through the Snowden leaks. That said, the wikileaks is llargely a whole lot of nothing. I wont say the wikileaks is unreliable, that isnt really it. But other then internal tone deaf emails, I cant find much fault in what has been leaked.
ok getting alittle miffed at the fact ppl think im a trumpist
i need to repost my political compass , i was far libertarian left , lol the only person more lib socialist was ghandi
i was farther left than Stalin for gods sack
i have also said on more than 3 occasions that the democrats have to win
i cant stand trump , ok i will admit that of the 2 evils i think trump is the lesser , why ? well because so far trump has said he would do bad shit while hillery has actually done bad shit (voting for iraq war ,voting for patriot act ect, Benghazi)
i have said many many times that i support and would vote for gill stein and im hoping that by highlighting hillerys flaws more ppl will vote for gill stien or for gary johnson if there a republican't
For a non-Trump person, you seem to be using a lot of the rhetoric used by his supporters, and you even said you would rather him in office, so...its little wonder why others think you're a Trump supporter.
Trump supported Iraq, would want an expanded version of the Patriot Act on various minorities, and has advocated for silencing his political opponents. Albeit if you would rather him or Johnson, I'd take Trump by far; his supporters might be crazy, but Libertarians in the US are down right insane. You do know he (Johnson) was booed because he said drugs shouldn't be sold to children, correct?
Hm...my gf is libertarian socialist, yet is vehemently against Trump due to his social + economic policies, and what his supporters would do in event he won. He's more conservative than Regan was in what he calls for economically, let alone socially.
on a side not i watched "13 hours: secret solders of Benghazi" last night
excellent film, best micheal bay film i ever saw , a visceral experience
it makes no mention above pentagon lvl but its clear that state (headed by hillery at the time) left those guys hanging with their dicks in the wind
someone at high lvl (presumably hillery or obama) wouldn't even allow an f16 "fuck you where here" fly by to try and frighten the rebals off
Why would a dramatized event be considered a good view on an actual event? It'd be equivalent to saying say..."Patton" or "Patriot" gives a good insight into the politics in WW2 or the American Revolutionary War.
Also, the F-16 is not meant for close air support; you call one in, you're liable to get your forces killed along with the enemy.
ok to anyone who thinks the uprisings in libya and syria were genuine , you need to understand that the US has over thrown over 50 regimes since the end of ww2
i have been trying to find a short documentary on this subject but all the good ones are too long , so youl have to look that up for yourselfs , id recommend starting with abby martins empire files number's 1, 2 and 26. each are about 20 mins long and highly illuminating
Just because the US was involved in 50-some overthrows since WW2 doesn't mean those two instances were caused by it. As I mentioned before; if it was started by the US, there would have been a looooooot more involvement when it got underway, not forgetting the rebels would have been a lot more organized - to the point there would have been an actually stable government after the overthrow and not Syria-lite. As for Syria, the only interest possible there is due to Israel, and yet the two nations had more or less coexisted peacefully in the post-Cold War world up until the civil war. Putting in a pro-Western government to edge Russia out of the Mediterranean? Perhaps, yet there are many more ways to go about it than causing one of the worst civil wars in history.
911 is long debunked ! yeah right o
i aint talking about building demo ,
im talking about the defacto stand down and things like project hammer financial fraud
see micheal ruppert portland 911 speech or the corbet reports 911 stuff btw neither of those even mention building demo because the whole noplanes / building demo is a show to distract from the real crimes that day which were financial , oh and then theres the dancing isrealies witch PROVES for knowledge
so mossad knew it was going to happen cos they had ppl there to film it , so from that we can draw 2 possibility
1 the isrealies knew and didnt tell anyone ,
2 the isrealies told the US and the US did nothing ,
it has tobe one or the other their is no other possible scenario
ok hillery
there seems tobe alot of ppl on here who seem to think that hillery is actully a good candidate ! if so , you are willfully blind
she isnt , she is a career politician and whats more i cant name any politician with more allegations and more investigations against them
ok why i see trump as a lesser evil than Hillery
Hillery has been part of the current admin and will continue on the same course
the course of American empire that crush's all opponents, if she wins , she will ramp up the Russia provocation's , she will get more involved in Syria , she wont close gitmo , she wont let bush's emergency powers lapse (as she supported Obama each year to extend it)
basically if she wins the us will stay the course on its destructive foreign policy and most likely given she is an extreme hawk ramp it up
she will also continue to support alnusra(alqieda) and other rebel groups , like that one that beheads 12 year old boys for instance
basically if Hillery wins the world outside the US will suffer
then there's the collusion tween her campaign and the media and of course the conflicts of interest
and then there's all the money she's taken from foreign power and the pay to play
as Micheal Moore said about bush "if the us ppl give you 1million dollars over 10 years while the suadis give you 100million over a life time ! who's ya daddy" who is she really working for
she claims to represent women yet has fully supported saudi exporting Wahhabism all over the world
trump on the other hand wants to work inside the US , his foreign policy seems to be isolation and xenophobia
well as someone who lives in the world but not in the us id rather see a us leader stay inside the US
but as i have said b4 my pick is gill stein
tho i did hear some silly stuff yesterday about Hillery dropping out and being replaced by Michel Obama , that's something i would welcome and would support tho it sadly wont happen
i should maybe point out i used to be a Hillery supporter , i supported her even since she ran for senate back in 2000 or was it 04 , i supported her in 08 against Obama until it was clear that a black man could actually win then i switched out of pragmatism but i still supported Hillery to follow
so when did i turn on her ! "we came we saw he died hahahahaha" that's the moment i saw she was scum and unfit to rule
we all heard the " nothing worse than an ex smoker" yeah well nothing worse than an ex Hillery supporter and that's me
btw im not trying to get ppl not to vote for Hillery unless they gonna switch to gill stein of course
in fact i want ppl to vote for her over trump as long as they admit she is a terrible candidate and is probably guilty of numerous crimes
ok that prob seems odd as i admit i see trump as the lesser evil but as i also say the democrats have to win , i just want ppl to be honest and say vote Hillery she's a criminal psychopath but its better than letting the republicans win
911 is long debunked ! yeah right o
i aint talking about building demo ,
im talking about the defacto stand down and things like project hammer financial fraud
see micheal ruppert portland 911 speech or the corbet reports 911 stuff btw neither of those even mention building demo because the whole noplanes / building demo is a show to distract from the real crimes that day which were financial , oh and then theres the dancing isrealies witch PROVES for knowledge
so mossad knew it was going to happen cos they had ppl there to film it , so from that we can draw 2 possibility
1 the isrealies knew and didnt tell anyone ,
2 the isrealies told the US and the US did nothing ,
it has tobe one or the other their is no other possible scenario
The one that has seen America's economic recovery and fall in unemployment?
And later you go on to say that Michelle Obama should run for president and that you'd support her, even though that would mean "staying on the same course."
...have you even been listening to Trump's gibberish on foreign policy? Economic war with China? Forcing Mexico, one of America's closest trading partners, to pay for some ludicrous wall? Taking all of Iraq's oil? Attacking Iranian ships? No?
It's not 2013 anymore. There's a limit to what she can do to get "involved" besides what would destroy ISIL.
The Syrian regime is pretty much entirely secure from America at this point.
She CAN'T close Gitmo, because Americans and the republican-dominated senate and congress don't WANT it closed. Obama's executive order barely managed to do jack shit. What's she supposed to do?
On the other hand, Trump insists he will fill it up again.
You'll have to do better than such vague nonsense.
Also, I'll quote myself again:
...have you even been listening to Trump's gibberish on foreign policy? Economic war with China? Forcing Mexico, one of America's closest trading partners, to pay for some ludicrous wall? Taking all of Iraq's oil? Attacking Iranian ships? No?
Fun fact: The US is not a ship with a captain. It's a hydra. Trump could win the election handily, yet what America is doing in Syria wouldn't change much, because Trump isn't some sole decider. Neither is Hillary.
basically if Hillery wins the world outside the US will suffer
then there's the collusion tween her campaign and the media and of course the conflicts of interest
and then there's all the money she's taken from foreign power and the pay to play
as Micheal Moore said about bush "if the us ppl give you 1million dollars over 10 years while the suadis give you 100million over a life time ! who's ya daddy" who is she really working for
Do you even have a basic grasp of foreign policy and international relations?
You think one can stop supporting an incredibly important strategic ally of many decades with the flick of a switch?
trump on the other hand wants to work inside the US , his foreign policy seems to be isolation and xenophobia
well as someone who lives in the world but not in the us id rather see a us leader stay inside the US
Yeah, that economic war with China sure sounds non-disruptive.
And if you think "isolationism and xenophobia" is something to applaud then I really have to reevaluate my opinion of you.
i should maybe point out i used to be a Hillery supporter , i supported her even since she ran for senate back in 2000 or was it 04 , i supported her in 08 against Obama until it was clear that a black man could actually win then i switched out of pragmatism but i still supported Hillery to follow
You actually expect me to believe you were that upset about her being casual about the death of one of the worst hedonist, mass-murdering dictators to live in the 21st century who waged war on his own people?
I suppose you get really upset when people talk casually about the death of Hitler and Mussolini, too, eh?
And when Trump goes "hahaha I sexually assault women because I'm rich and I can" what does that say about his "fitness to rule"?
Ah, wait, Gaddafi also did that. I suppose it all adds up.
btw im not trying to get ppl not to vote for Hillery unless they gonna switch to gill stein of course in fact i want ppl to vote for her over trump as long as they admit she is a terrible candidate and is probably guilty of numerous crimes
