I like Eren because I think that he's well-written up to the last part of season four, not because I think that he's justified and because everything I liked about him in seasons 1-3 outweighs what happened in season 4, which I stopped paying attention to. I think that Eren was justified in his strike against Liberio but not at all when it comes to attacking the rest of the world
Eren also never tortured children and the way Itachi treated Sasuke is a big strike against him for me. By your same logic, you're massive hypocrite for defending Itachi and yet having Annie marked as a hated character when she had similar reasons and just wanted to save her own people and go back to her father. She at least owns up to the fact that she did wrong and switches sides.
The ends don't justify the means- that's something I don't compromise for. No one's life has greater value than someone else and no one deserves to be murdered for the sake of the 'greater good.' Because if the greater good must be accomplished by committing genocide then it's not a greater good.
No, you didn't explain anything. You've come onto my profile unsoliciteted and been nothing but a condescending ass and you reiterate the same thing over and over again and then act like you've actually managed to accomplish something. I'm not repeating this back and forth with you.
Good. That's a nice way of saying you don't have any further way of arguing your points.
Which makes senseyou've done an absolutely horrible job of arguing your points.
You:
-came onto my profile and told me I was a dumbass who hadn't read the manga. So you started immediately with ad hominum.
-claimed I didn't present anything factual but when I did, responded with 'but he had good reasons/it was to make Sasuke stronger" completely disregarding the fact that I know he 'had his reasons' but having his reasons is not enough for me to look past committing genocide.
By the way, I don't subscribe to the ends justify the means philosophy so... yeah, no, that means nothing to me. Then you added the accusation that I was just shitting on a character because it was an unpopular opinion, so yet another ad hominum fallacy.
-said I figured you would respond that way.
You didn't debunk anything. You told me that he has 'reasons' for his shitty actions, but the thing is I don't agree with either his reasons or his actions.
You say he does things for people without them knowing? What about his parents? What about his clan?
The whole idea that in order to achieve proper peace, you need to murder an entire chunk of the dissenting population is just wrong.
The fallout of the Uchiha massacre could have been handed with a lot more tact and care instead of Madara saying something along the lines of "your brother went through unimaginable suffering" to his little brother who was tortured by Itachi, left alone to cry over the bodies of his slaughtered clan the night of the massacre at only seven years old, was tortured again by a brother who sought to destroy any and all good in him (apparently for his own good, but that's bullshit.), and then was completely gaslighted into thinking his brother was a genuinely good person who loved him and that he had no right to feel angry about what he did. That is a horrible thing to present as good.
Whatever his reasons for doing so, Itachi was a shit brother who abused Sasuke and Sasuke did not deserve to have that erased.
Did you... read the comments I left on Itachi (actually the one I left on Sasuke is probably more thought out)? I left plenty of factual information. You came at me with the accusations of having not read the manga. This essay does a fairly good job of laying out the inconsistencies.
Itachi murdered an entire clan of people and completely brutalized someone who was not only a child but the baby brother that he supposedly loved above all else. There is no indication of any good to Itachi whatsoever and then suddenly Itachi is this pacifist, kindhearted man who hated violence and loved his baby brother and the only thing that bridges that inconsistent writing is a sob story relayed by Madara. Itachi is someone who breaks a child's arm, watches as that child screams in pain and cries over his dead family and then continues to hurt them. But then he supposedly loves that child more than anything in the world? As someone who is an older sister to a child Sasuke's age, I'm beyond horrified by the carelessness with which Kishimoto handled that arc.
I don't know what you expect to accomplish by insulting someone or making assumptions about whether or not I've read the manga just because you 'don't understand' how I think. How much more pretentious can you get? I don't care. I really could not care less whether or not you understand.
Itachi's character is inconsistent and I don't care if he had a reason for killing them or not- he still killed them.
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I like Eren because I think that he's well-written up to the last part of season four, not because I think that he's justified and because everything I liked about him in seasons 1-3 outweighs what happened in season 4, which I stopped paying attention to. I think that Eren was justified in his strike against Liberio but not at all when it comes to attacking the rest of the world
Eren also never tortured children and the way Itachi treated Sasuke is a big strike against him for me. By your same logic, you're massive hypocrite for defending Itachi and yet having Annie marked as a hated character when she had similar reasons and just wanted to save her own people and go back to her father. She at least owns up to the fact that she did wrong and switches sides.
The ends don't justify the means- that's something I don't compromise for. No one's life has greater value than someone else and no one deserves to be murdered for the sake of the 'greater good.' Because if the greater good must be accomplished by committing genocide then it's not a greater good.
No, you didn't explain anything. You've come onto my profile unsoliciteted and been nothing but a condescending ass and you reiterate the same thing over and over again and then act like you've actually managed to accomplish something. I'm not repeating this back and forth with you.
<div class="cta horizontal-cta"> </div>Good. That's a nice way of saying you don't have any further way of arguing your points.
Which makes senseyou've done an absolutely horrible job of arguing your points.
You:
-came onto my profile and told me I was a dumbass who hadn't read the manga. So you started immediately with ad hominum.
-claimed I didn't present anything factual but when I did, responded with 'but he had good reasons/it was to make Sasuke stronger" completely disregarding the fact that I know he 'had his reasons' but having his reasons is not enough for me to look past committing genocide.
By the way, I don't subscribe to the ends justify the means philosophy so... yeah, no, that means nothing to me. Then you added the accusation that I was just shitting on a character because it was an unpopular opinion, so yet another ad hominum fallacy.
-said I figured you would respond that way.
You didn't debunk anything. You told me that he has 'reasons' for his shitty actions, but the thing is I don't agree with either his reasons or his actions.
You say he does things for people without them knowing? What about his parents? What about his clan?
The whole idea that in order to achieve proper peace, you need to murder an entire chunk of the dissenting population is just wrong.
The fallout of the Uchiha massacre could have been handed with a lot more tact and care instead of Madara saying something along the lines of "your brother went through unimaginable suffering" to his little brother who was tortured by Itachi, left alone to cry over the bodies of his slaughtered clan the night of the massacre at only seven years old, was tortured again by a brother who sought to destroy any and all good in him (apparently for his own good, but that's bullshit.), and then was completely gaslighted into thinking his brother was a genuinely good person who loved him and that he had no right to feel angry about what he did. That is a horrible thing to present as good.
Whatever his reasons for doing so, Itachi was a shit brother who abused Sasuke and Sasuke did not deserve to have that erased.
Torture =/= tough love. You haven't debunked anything.
You don't make a child's life a living hell just to make them stronger.
Did you... read the comments I left on Itachi (actually the one I left on Sasuke is probably more thought out)? I left plenty of factual information. You came at me with the accusations of having not read the manga. This essay does a fairly good job of laying out the inconsistencies.
Itachi murdered an entire clan of people and completely brutalized someone who was not only a child but the baby brother that he supposedly loved above all else. There is no indication of any good to Itachi whatsoever and then suddenly Itachi is this pacifist, kindhearted man who hated violence and loved his baby brother and the only thing that bridges that inconsistent writing is a sob story relayed by Madara. Itachi is someone who breaks a child's arm, watches as that child screams in pain and cries over his dead family and then continues to hurt them. But then he supposedly loves that child more than anything in the world? As someone who is an older sister to a child Sasuke's age, I'm beyond horrified by the carelessness with which Kishimoto handled that arc.
I don't know what you expect to accomplish by insulting someone or making assumptions about whether or not I've read the manga just because you 'don't understand' how I think. How much more pretentious can you get? I don't care. I really could not care less whether or not you understand.
Itachi's character is inconsistent and I don't care if he had a reason for killing them or not- he still killed them.