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WitchyBookNook Oct 13, 2022

-| What you don't take into account when talking about Ainz is that the guy isn't human anymore

Is a zombie not a monster because it doesn't intend to do evil, just autonomously does what's in its own self interest?   Surely it's still a monster,  and it would only be more monstrous the more intelligent that zombie became while persisting in pursuing its self interests at the expense of the lives of others.

Ainz is cursed and emotionally segregated from humanity but he's still intelligent, conscious, and actively making choices when he should still retain all moral positions from Earth even if rendered emotionless.   Much like how Tanya seems to have been a sociopath but still operated within a reasonable allowance, even if that was mostly just "So long as it's legal" like screwing over (his friend?) because he wasn't performing well enough at the job. 

Tanyas actions in the ceries are contextualized by the fact that it's literally an active war that he's goaded and strung along through by a divine mystery.  Killing an enemy soldier in a battle is very different from many overt acts of cruelty Ainz has done.  I stopped watching around season 2 or 3 where he butchered that girl and all those people because... They were drawn to explore the labyrinth-tomb because of the open invitations he spread, therefor they're tresspassers?  Beyond entrapment.   And then the thousands / hundreds of thousands, I can't recall, that they killed and consigned to slavery or worse when they attacked a city.  

Tanya appears to be very lawful neutral and upholds laws, including "Laws of War",  some people seem to think she's killed civilians but I can't find anything to back that claim up (Not operating off my shoddy memory of when I last watched it),  it's always met with disagreement and conflicting context where yeah bombs went off in a city but that wasn't targeting civilians and civilians were allegedly evacuated and this was (I'm reading) after the targets killed prisoners of war.   She's rough but doesn't actually seem to lack empathy,  she frequently does show it (Albeit in a non-flustered tsundere manner), she just does not allow it to get in the way of things that need doing and doesn't want her troops to underperform at the cost of thier lives, the war, and her own life. 

Afaik,  most the "Tanya is evil" stems from the name of the show at face value and attribute to her as though she were a [email protected] when they don't exist, it's a fictional world roughly based on the World Wars.  Like yeah that's the name of the show, but she certainly doesn't ever actually seem to demonstrate evil.  Titles like that are often made to incorporate some amount of irony or misdirection,  or a facade.  Tanya's just a hardass very dedicated to survival and winning the war (Yet not to a degree that she ever does any warcrimes, though of course the victor of a war would still exacerbate and claim this or that was)

I think Tanya is a good character, I don't necessarily like her as a person though to some extent I respect her despite some parts of her personality rubbing me the wrong way.  

But Tanya, as far as I can recall (And I'd think it'd show up in discussions I just skimmed), really has never done anything within a percentile as bad as the stuff Ainz did.  Ainz is absolutely a villain,  and one I just can't stomach reading having the knowledge that he's also the protagonist and the author wants to give him a happy ending and he'll never pay for his actions, it seems.   The show never seems to go as far as to even really portray his actions as wrong, so much as it feels like...  it feels like it's rather masturbatory in the celebration of atrocity for people that enjoy watching the bad things happen and who'd go "fuck yeah hahaha lets goooo" over it (is an impression I get from a lot of Ainz discussions I've stalked, lot of people seem to straight up deny that he's in the wrong when at least common ground should be that he's obviously a villain, and meant to be so).   So it's less that the show demonstrates any consequences for his actions so much as it often felt like it was only setting up to rub salt in wounds and build up to the bad thing to happen as though it were foreplay, not that it's meant to show that an action was wrong if that makes any sense.

 

You can like Ainz as much as you want as a fictional villain with an enjoyable story or nice action scenes to watch, it's just way too much for me for the reasons above, largely due to the lack of justice or consequence. 

Meanwhile as for Tanya,  I really don't see an issue unless operating from a moral framework that would call any soldier immoral by virtue of being a soldier, at least a soldier that isn't given "redeemable" qualities such as self-flagelating reluctance droning on about how they don't want to be here or want to defect or something (Not attributing this to you, just a trend I see).   But hey maybe I'm missing context and need to rewatch it, or there's Tanya media I haven't seen yet. 

 

WitchyBookNook Oct 10, 2022

Not sure how replies work here, seems weird that clicking reply is taking me to your profile?  Oh well, if that's the norm... 

Ainz is someone who should know better and has not justifiable reason for anything he does,  he could do things far differently and where I left off somewhere in season 3, there isn't even anything that is a legitimate threat to him.  He goes out of his way to cause suffering and death even among those who looked up to him,  women, and children. 

Tanya was dropped into a fantasy world inspired by WW2 and told to fight to survive and does so in military in open warfare and is constantly / at least frequently  in life or death situations.   

TheMedoGuy Jun 29, 2022

10/10 agree what you said to  Blueflamemaster the guy is a complete troll. 

OsumarefromMAL Jan 17, 2022

THANK YOU for the comment on Gabi from AOT. The amount of hatred she receives is absolutely ridiculous.