randomredneck
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I'll take a mediocre self-insert MC over one who is a LITERAL PEDOPHILE.
Mushoku Tensei: Jobless Reincarnation - Part II
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springbee
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After Musoku Tensei dropped, I think that solidified that perception seeing how many people sincerely believe being a p*dophile is not wrong, and it's akin to being homosexual. Bizarre shite I never thought I would live to see and read.
tootalls
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Have you the credentials of someone who's studied the psychology of that state of mind, or are you just going off uneducated feelings and emotions?
There are many psychological conditions that generate unfavorable outward behavior that the person affected cannot choose to be unaffected by even if they wanted to be. We cannot pick and choose which conditions we want to be considered fact based on our own levels of disgust towards the actions and thoughts that are birthed from certain conditions.
Judge someone and hate someone because of their condition if you want, but don't create a fantasy that the condition is made up.
Kataphraktoi
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I guess I never understood the argument of Rudy being a pedo because of him once being an adult. He is not an adult now, he is literally a child. You could hook him up to every medical testing device imaginable and they would all return the same result....young child.
Reincarnation is a common theme in eastern religion, and I wont pretend to know much about the details. But believing everyone reincarnates into new bodies\new lives or into frogs or cows if your bad or whatnot has to cast a different light on the show. You dont remain a man if you reincarnate as a woman and vice versa. What if happens if Rudy is depicted as being sixty years old with grey hair in a future arc, with a large family? Is he eternally a 35 year old virgin just because? Main difference would be the real life religious version doesnt include retaining your memories AFAIK.
Also, many people seem incapable of perceiving the Eris is the one coming on to him in that controversial scene at the end. She is a cute girl and cannot possibly be held accountable for any of her actions, no sir. Nevermind that she clearly seems to hold the upper hand in the relational power dynamic. Nevermind that they were on a long journey together and have legitimate and organically grown reasons to like each other. At some point you probably want to pick a partner to spend your life with, and picking someone like Rudy would make a lot of sense in this world. Already strong and gonna get a lot stronger after growing up.
And yeah, Rudy needs to grow up. That's actually a great reason for Eris to leave him and force him to pursue. He needs to stop being an indecisive beta and make up his mind, become committed to being stronger, and gain the resolve to be worthy of Eris. Honestly my main issue with their pairing is that she deserves better than him. But he is still a child and can mature. If anyone is a pedo in their relationship, its Eris, because she is clearly more mature than Rudy.
I also think people are a bit out of touch with reality, most posters here are likely growing up in a very sheltered westernized nation, insulated from how harsh the world really is. Back in the medieval ages for instance, this is just a very standard pairing between young teens. The story is taking place in a somewhat darker setting so it is appropriate. Ultimately it depends on their society deciding what the legal age is, and the idea that there is some absolute age at which becomes an adult is kindof just nonsense.
And by the way, there seems to be a false dichotomy above about pedophilia being wrong and pedophilia being a natural condition. These both can be true;the person could be naturally inclined this way, and it could also be morally wrong to act out these impulses. What this means is we dont go around genociding potential pedo's and yet we also take steps to restrain or limit their action and protect our children. But they are still equally human.
Reincarnation is a common theme in eastern religion, and I wont pretend to know much about the details. But believing everyone reincarnates into new bodies\new lives or into frogs or cows if your bad or whatnot has to cast a different light on the show. You dont remain a man if you reincarnate as a woman and vice versa. What if happens if Rudy is depicted as being sixty years old with grey hair in a future arc, with a large family? Is he eternally a 35 year old virgin just because? Main difference would be the real life religious version doesnt include retaining your memories AFAIK.
Also, many people seem incapable of perceiving the Eris is the one coming on to him in that controversial scene at the end. She is a cute girl and cannot possibly be held accountable for any of her actions, no sir. Nevermind that she clearly seems to hold the upper hand in the relational power dynamic. Nevermind that they were on a long journey together and have legitimate and organically grown reasons to like each other. At some point you probably want to pick a partner to spend your life with, and picking someone like Rudy would make a lot of sense in this world. Already strong and gonna get a lot stronger after growing up.
And yeah, Rudy needs to grow up. That's actually a great reason for Eris to leave him and force him to pursue. He needs to stop being an indecisive beta and make up his mind, become committed to being stronger, and gain the resolve to be worthy of Eris. Honestly my main issue with their pairing is that she deserves better than him. But he is still a child and can mature. If anyone is a pedo in their relationship, its Eris, because she is clearly more mature than Rudy.
I also think people are a bit out of touch with reality, most posters here are likely growing up in a very sheltered westernized nation, insulated from how harsh the world really is. Back in the medieval ages for instance, this is just a very standard pairing between young teens. The story is taking place in a somewhat darker setting so it is appropriate. Ultimately it depends on their society deciding what the legal age is, and the idea that there is some absolute age at which becomes an adult is kindof just nonsense.
And by the way, there seems to be a false dichotomy above about pedophilia being wrong and pedophilia being a natural condition. These both can be true;the person could be naturally inclined this way, and it could also be morally wrong to act out these impulses. What this means is we dont go around genociding potential pedo's and yet we also take steps to restrain or limit their action and protect our children. But they are still equally human.
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randomredneck
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Okay, guess we're doing this again. I thought I was done with this, but since you dragged it into the thread of a whole different show just to annoy me it seems, let's take it from the top. I know you're just going to ignore everything I say and go "Nope, Rudy good.", but who knows, maybe you'll listen for once.
Still a stupid story choice and super gross, but at least the author didn't have Daikichi perving on little girls like your beloved Rudy likes to do.
So yeah. I know you're just going to ignore everything I said like usual, but whatever. Now please keep Jobless Reincarnation talk in the proper thread.
The anime included basically everything from the source...to a certain point. They just stopped before that timeskip because...ew. No one wanted to see that. And while it will forever be probably the creepiest tone shift in manga history, the author still had the good sense...well, the bare minimum of sense I guess, to at least specify
Rin's crush was on Daikichi, and she was going to wait until she was a legal adult to try anything.
Well, you know how to fix that perception? DON'T HAVE HIM CREEP ON UNDARAGE GIRLS AS A 40-SOMETHING YEAR OLD MAN.
And here's your newest thing apparently: "The anime didn't say that specifically". We all know what he was doing when he got thrown out. And you pretending it's something else doesn't suddenly change that, or excuse any of the other abhorrent things he did during my time watching this.
Yeah, of course you don't care about the LN version. Because it allows you to pretend he and anime Rudy are two different people and act like he's a freaking saint. Even with the "omission", he still tried to molest a sleeping underage girl, bought magic roofies, etc.
Yes, a lot of shows do the immortal/isekai age gap. It's a little creepy, yes. But at least most shows have the good sense for the MC to not be thirsting over girls his isekai body age until they're at least of consenting age. Yeah, it's kind of weird that even then, he's technically way older, but at least it's something. Rudy, from the very instant he got to the world, saw little girls and didn't think that. He just went right back into his behavior from his previous life. Because he's a repulsive excuse for a human being.
And this...I'm not even gonna dignify this with a response.
So yeah. I know you're just going to ignore everything I said like usual, but whatever. Now please keep Jobless Reincarnation talk in the proper thread.
tootalls
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I won't ignore you, I'll just say we're partially at an impasse. There was some progress, but I think it's reached it's limit.
That progress being that you kinda sorta admitted that there was at least SOME bit of creep factor to the other show that you liked, as it's 1 common theme with this show, and that's all I wanted to see at the end of the day.
As for this quote, I'll just break it down in a few different ways as you could have meant several different things when you said it.
#1 are you referring to the opening scene? If so, my stance is clear on that as it can be. My interpretation of anime is void of any additional information that was purposefully omitted from the source. So while you can do what you please with both pieces of media, I see nothing in the anime that shows adult Rudy "creep on underage girls" This has nothing to do with me wanting to view Rudy a specific way, this is how I've always handled myself with source material. Random stat, I've watched nearly 750 anime, and read 7 manga. I stay away from that form of media, I want little to do with it, I'm the guy that either verbalizes my annoyance when source is brought up in the anime threads of other shows or I just end up silent, for instance, I had much to say in the early days of attack on titan, and then inbetween seasons many people ran to the manga, and then suddenly the anime discussion was highly tainted and I disappeared from discussing that show. Point is, this is not a 1 off issue for me, it's just how I operate in general.
#2 if you're referring to the purvey things child Rudy does, like the sexual harassment on sleeping Eris, I don't condone that sort of thing, nore do I condone her unwarranted acts of violence towards him back around that segment. Some cases, there can be multiple wrong doers.
#3 Child Rudy's romantic interest in Eris or Sylpie....now even in admitting that there was a creep factor to Nazuna x Ko, you seem to condone the mostly respectful relationship between them in spite of the age gap. So even if you can't see Rudy as anything but a 40 yr old guy even with the face of a child, In all fairness you'd have to respect his right to love someone around the age of his body as long as he' respectful about it. IF you can't get that far here, but you could with Nazuna, then that's something you'd have to ask yourself why not....
Sodafox
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I watched the funeral scene and, if no one mentioned that in the source material he was jacking it to an under age person, I wouldn't have thought that. Even with the guys being as disgusted as they were I would've chalked it up to them being disgusted at him jacking it at, presumably, his parent's house while their funeral is on-going.
Are people not allowed to enjoy the Disney animated classics because the source material is often horrific? That's the argument I'm seeing here.
Are people not allowed to enjoy the Disney animated classics because the source material is often horrific? That's the argument I'm seeing here.
randomredneck
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"Unwarranted"
She woke up to find someone trying to molest her and undress her. And you call her response unwarranted. Do you hear yourself?
Here's the thing: He is about as far from "Respectful" as it gets. A fact I have tried explaining to you numerous times to zero avail.
Pedophile, attempted rapist, attempted roofie user. You show me where there's any "respect" there.
tootalls
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rewatch the early episodes of Eris' introduction, her violence to Rudy isn't exclusive to that 1 incident you're referring to.