Anime Clichés You Hate!

just wrote a whole paragraph about how I feel about Bl and how people keep stereotyping GL/yuri when their only exposure to that genre is through Citrus, yet I am the one who s generalizing yaoi/BL through BJ Alex or Love Stage....yeah nnot getting into that anymore. My opinion differs from yours and should be respected so...

Personally, I hate love triangles or when the characters are having a good time together and a random ex, a second leads confesses or some dumb misunderstanding happends that just ruins the whole relationship... It happends so often in romance stories and it's not ever giving the characters a chance for developemnt most of the time and it's just a waste... the again...I'm into fluffy romance so lol. Also how dumb main characters can be. What's up with the positive attitude all the time man...they can turn a bit evil at times idk.
 
Claptrap said:
I mean honestly I'm queer and like fucked up shit and so do a lot of people. It's not really explained here how anyone is using LGBT to like transgressive media or w.e, but at the end of the day anyone should be able to like whatever fucked up fiction they want. Fucked up romance certainly isn't limited to any category.
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This, as long as you know it isn't okay in real life and wouldn't do it in real life I couldn't care less even if you have a rape kink or something like that.

It's also weird how if I like a kinda messed up straight anime that's fine, but if a straight person likes a kinda messed up BL anime they're immediately called bad people, even if they know that most gay people don't act like they do in yaoi and even when they're actually good allies to the LGBTQ+ community.
 
AnnaSartin said:
I've never read the light novels so I have no knowledge of a supposed rape scene. Surprising considering the actual anime is a comedy. I will admit he's annoying in the show though, particularly in the beginning. Yuri proposed to him and started the whole mess, and Wolf just couldn't accept that it was a cultural misunderstanding and let it go. What I liked about the character was how he (in my opinion) grew and improved as a person throughout the anime. And when Greta came into their lives he took his role as a second father to her seriously. I'll be avoiding the light novels like the plague now, though, so thanks for the heads up.

As for my Yaoi Lovers list, it contains EVERY shounen-ai and yaoi anime I could find, I haven't seen them all. I made it with the purpose of making it easier for people to know which ones were licensed and which ones were not. Hitorijime My Hero really bugged the crap out of me, though, because the relationships were unhealthy, predatory, and Hitorijime himself really just needed to be kicked in the balls for some of the things he did.
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I see, I'll admit that I was wrong about you in that case but I can't agree about Wolfram.

This is exactly what Greta is, nothing more nothing less.
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It's a cheap tactic to use a child to push forward a relationship that was a mistake to begin with. Even after the so called "development" Wolfram never even once bothered to ask Yuuri about how he feels about the engagement, if Yuuri ever mentions anything about not being into guys he will be completely ignored by everyone, even his own mother ships him with Wolfram. At this point I think Gunter deserves an award for being the only character in the entire series to ever point out to Wolfram about how his behavior and actions towards Yuuri are rude and inappropriate. Yuuri is simply not allowed to have his sexuality or preferences because a hot gay bishounen is in love with him and the fujoshis see it as very romantic. The only option Yuuri ever had is to give in to Wolfram
which he eventually does in the end (a real shame since I always thought that Yuuri was different than your average BL MC)
, another standard BL trope. Aside from the spoiler part, the rest is all from the anime, I'm surprised that you think that him being a good father to Greta makes it alright for him to behave like a self-entitled asshole towards Yuuri.
 
AnnaSartin said:
Somehow I missed this comment, so now I need to share...

My Dearest Cop
I Hear the Sunspot
Dangeum and Jigyo
What Did You Eat Yesterday?
Ookami wo Karu Housoku
Tell Me It's Real
Kekkon Suru Kamo Shirenai Otoko
Koko ni Aru, Kimi no Oto


It sounds like your past experience with this genre might not have been positive, so maybe these will help turn things around. There's tons of sweet BL, those are just a few.
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Thanks for the suggestions but why do half of them have an explicit sex warning?
 
Keitrice said:
Even better, if you like the most saccharine, vanilla, and pure pieces of media, you’re automically a saint in real life.
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Don't worry, I know that anime fans will always defend all sorts of degenerate stuff because that's the cool thing to do in the anime community.
 
Max4444 said:
This, as long as you know it isn't okay in real life and wouldn't do it in real life I couldn't care less even if you have a rape kink or something like that.

It's also weird how if I like a kinda messed up straight anime that's fine, but if a straight person likes a kinda messed up BL anime they're immediately called bad people, even if they know that most gay people don't act like they do in yaoi and even when they're actually good allies to the LGBTQ+ community.
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I never said that messed up straight anime is fine. Stop trying twist my words. My original comment was in relation to fujoshis which is why the rest of the comments are BL/fujoshi related. Please don't count me among you degenerates.
 
DarkLordSatan said:
I never said that messed up straight anime is fine. Stop trying twist my words. My original comment was in relation to fujoshis which is why the rest of the comments are BL/fujoshi related. Please don't count me among you degenerates.
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I wasn't saying that you said that, I was talking about people in general.

Also, who are you referring to as degenerates?
 
DarkLordSatan said:
I never said that messed up straight anime is fine. Stop trying twist my words. My original comment was in relation to fujoshis which is why the rest of the comments are BL/fujoshi related. Please don't count me among you degenerates.
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DarkLordSatan said:
Thanks for the suggestions but why do half of them have an explicit sex warning?
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you're acting like an entire person should be judged on the shit they watch. You know how many people would be super evil under that perspective? Like everyone. EVERYONE has watched a dark show where someone gets murdered or is in a toxic, abusive relationship or something horrible like that and it is PERFECTLY fine to enjoy media that has that in it. There is so many good shows out there that add in dark elements to make it more dramatic or scary. Rape scenes, murder scenes, death scenes, they are ALL in any form of media and NOBODY here is defending the actions and personally saying people should be like in real life. I'm sure there is some anime or live action shows/movies you like with an inapporiate scene or even a sex scene, geez.

Fiction and reality are not the same bro.

Also any of that "they defend it because it's gay" shit is just stuff kids or idiots do. Nobody here is doing that and the majority of people are not even remotely like that. Judging people by the themes in a media they like is super idiotic I'm sorry.
 
I'm going to be honest and say I have an inherent distrust for people who hold themselves as only liking saccharine, soft, sweet material and condemning anything dark or people who enjoy it.

Is this "fair" of me? I'd agree that maybe not, maybe it isn't. But it sows an inherent distrust in me. I think because it strikes me as a bit inherently dishonest. People who talk about consuming dark content are often being very earnest and genuine about what they like, and are often willing to discuss the themes around it. But people who hold a protective shield around their fictional interests as if it defines them morally, as if it's all that warrants internal searches and thoughts, that that is the end all and be all of their morals, make me nervous. "You are what you eat, bad goes in bad comes out" etc type religious philosophies. Bad experiences. So it goes.
 
Claptrap said:
I'm going to be honest and say I have an inherent distrust for people who hold themselves as only liking saccharine, soft, sweet material and condemning anything dark or people who enjoy it.

Is this "fair" of me? I'd agree that maybe not, maybe it isn't. But it sows an inherent distrust in me. I think because it strikes me as a bit inherently dishonest. People who talk about consuming dark content are often being very earnest and genuine about what they like, and are often willing to discuss the themes around it. But people who hold a protective shield around their fictional interests as if it defines them morally, as if it's all that warrants internal searches and thoughts, that that is the end all and be all of their morals, make me nervous. "You are what you eat, bad goes in bad comes out" etc type religious philosophies. Bad experiences. So it goes.
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I enjoy watching true crime documentaries on TV, I guess i'm a criminal now :hamster:
 
Claptrap said:
I'm going to be honest and say I have an inherent distrust for people who hold themselves as only liking saccharine, soft, sweet material and condemning anything dark or people who enjoy it.
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I'm personally fine with people saying they only like wholesome stuff, regardless if it's true or not, but anyone who condemns other people for watching dark stuff just sounds like an asshole unless that dark stuff is very very messed up. Even if someone does only watch sweet stuff that doesn't make them better than someone who watches dark stuff.
 
Max4444 said:
I'm personally fine with people saying they only like wholesome stuff, regardless if it's true or not, but anyone who condemns other people for watching dark stuff just sounds like an asshole unless that dark stuff is very very messed up. Even if someone does only watch sweet stuff that doesn't make them better than someone who watches dark stuff.
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I definitely agree. It's only when people use it as a tool regarding personal morals that I feel uneasy.
 
Well, in my experience people who shit on BL for being problematic and bad and whatnot tend to watch a shitton of porn (you know, which isn't problematic at all), so I'll just leave that there. Also dude is clearly trolling, so there's no need to get so overworked.
 
Claptrap said:
I'm going to be honest and say I have an inherent distrust for people who hold themselves as only liking saccharine, soft, sweet material and condemning anything dark or people who enjoy it.

Is this "fair" of me? I'd agree that maybe not, maybe it isn't. But it sows an inherent distrust in me. I think because it strikes me as a bit inherently dishonest. People who talk about consuming dark content are often being very earnest and genuine about what they like, and are often willing to discuss the themes around it. But people who hold a protective shield around their fictional interests as if it defines them morally, as if it's all that warrants internal searches and thoughts, that that is the end all and be all of their morals, make me nervous. "You are what you eat, bad goes in bad comes out" etc type religious philosophies. Bad experiences. So it goes.
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I think that's an interesting point to bring up and I can get this. The phrase OMG fiction is corrupting their morals! is used so often honestly as an excuse. It's a common tactic by authoritarians so people don't question their power by banning any kind of media they don't like basically in very simplistic black and white terms. Don't want those damn peasants to get any new ideas to expand your mind set. I think fiction has only had a positive effect on me, in developing a more nuanced philosophy and ethics when considering different point of views. Seeing things in purely black and white, is just kind of boring, close minded and counter intuitive. I'm entirely opposed to a fear based approach because it more directly ties into, "I fear people will believe different things than me so I have to stop that all costs" which is not healthy. I'm not pointing any accusatory fingers here, but I think this is something worth thinking about.
 
UniversalParanoia1 said:
you're acting like an entire person should be judged on the shit they watch. You know how many people would be super evil under that perspective? Like everyone. EVERYONE has watched a dark show where someone gets murdered or is in a toxic, abusive relationship or something horrible like that and it is PERFECTLY fine to enjoy media that has that in it. There is so many good shows out there that add in dark elements to make it more dramatic or scary. Rape scenes, murder scenes, death scenes, they are ALL in any form of media and NOBODY here is defending the actions and personally saying people should be like in real life. I'm sure there is some anime or live action shows/movies you like with an inapporiate scene or even a sex scene, geez.

Fiction and reality are not the same bro.

Also any of that "they defend it because it's gay" shit is just stuff kids or idiots do. Nobody here is doing that and the majority of people are not even remotely like that. Judging people by the themes in a media they like is super idiotic I'm sorry.
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Indeed. Villains are often people's favorite characters in a story, too. This isn't because people support what they do, but because the villain typically drives the story forward and creates juicy conflict, and it can also be cathartic to vicariously live fictional chaos through another character.

Claptrap said:
I'm going to be honest and say I have an inherent distrust for people who hold themselves as only liking saccharine, soft, sweet material and condemning anything dark or people who enjoy it.
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Not quite the same, but I do often look sideways at people who seem a tad overly enthusiastic at certain "sweet" portrayals in media nearly exclusively. Probably just me seeing too many creepy weaboos over the years who seem to have gotten their entire perception of asian women from specific types of anime.
 
Claptrap said:
I'm going to be honest and say I have an inherent distrust for people who hold themselves as only liking saccharine, soft, sweet material and condemning anything dark or people who enjoy it.

Is this "fair" of me? I'd agree that maybe not, maybe it isn't. But it sows an inherent distrust in me. I think because it strikes me as a bit inherently dishonest. People who talk about consuming dark content are often being very earnest and genuine about what they like, and are often willing to discuss the themes around it. But people who hold a protective shield around their fictional interests as if it defines them morally, as if it's all that warrants internal searches and thoughts, that that is the end all and be all of their morals, make me nervous. "You are what you eat, bad goes in bad comes out" etc type religious philosophies. Bad experiences. So it goes.
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BrainBlow said:
Indeed. Villains are often people's favorite characters in a story, too. This isn't because people support what they do, but because the villain typically drives the story forward and creates juicy conflict, and it can also be cathartic to vicariously live fictional chaos through another character.


Not quite the same, but I do often look sideways at people who seem a tad overly enthusiastic at certain "sweet" portrayals in media nearly exclusively. Probably just me seeing too many creepy weaboos over the years who seem to have gotten their entire perception of asian women from specific types of anime.
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Quoting Clap again and BrainBlow's point here just so I can say that I don't trust anyone too much who only likes wholesome stuff exclsuively unless they are literal children. Like I know they gotta be lying to me, and are probably into the weirdest shit imaginable. Like I like wholesome stuff too, but I also enjoy some things with darker themes like horror and dark comedy. But if wholesome stuff is ALL you watch, you gotta be hidin something bro that's just sketchy.
 
DarkLordSatan said:
I see, I'll admit that I was wrong about you in that case but I can't agree about Wolfram.

This is exactly what Greta is, nothing more nothing less.
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It's a cheap tactic to use a child to push forward a relationship that was a mistake to begin with. Even after the so called "development" Wolfram never even once bothered to ask Yuuri about how he feels about the engagement, if Yuuri ever mentions anything about not being into guys he will be completely ignored by everyone, even his own mother ships him with Wolfram. At this point I think Gunter deserves an award for being the only character in the entire series to ever point out to Wolfram about how his behavior and actions towards Yuuri are rude and inappropriate. Yuuri is simply not allowed to have his sexuality or preferences because a hot gay bishounen is in love with him and the fujoshis see it as very romantic. The only option Yuuri ever had is to give in to Wolfram
which he eventually does in the end (a real shame since I always thought that Yuuri was different than your average BL MC)
, another standard BL trope. Aside from the spoiler part, the rest is all from the anime, I'm surprised that you think that him being a good father to Greta makes it alright for him to behave like a self-entitled asshole towards Yuuri.
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You do have a point. I think the problem is that their relationship is played for comedic laughs. The show would have been better if there had been more emphasis put on character development, and had one of two things happen: either a) Yuuri grows a backbone and puts an end to it, or b) he and Wolfram begin to grow closer after Wolf admits he was being a dick and apologizes - and then actually corrects his behavior. But that's simply not the kind of show this is. It's a comedy, and it cares more about being funny than being deep. It's not an amazing show, but for those who enjoyed it back in the day, I think we probably make more allowances for those cheap laughs than we should. I wish I could say romance stories have gotten much better in modern times, but garbage shows like Rent A Girlfriend (an even worse "toxic behavior = humor" series) are still drawing viewers in droves. Fans make excuses for asshole behavior, and tsundere characters like Wolfram remain fan favorites even today. I'm not going to knock the folks who enjoy them, but I'll admit I'm glad we are also getting good shows to balance out the toxic ones.
 
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