And the first episode of Yuri on Ice was all about beautifully animated ice skating and depicting realistic real life struggles with one fanservice bath scene at the end that took a few seconds, yet I don't see you watching it.
Why would I watch a show about ice skating? I don't even like actual ice skating.
Honestly I wouldn't bother at this point if I were you. On one hand I think @Starletka is right, it's perfectly reasonable to say "I'm probably not going to like this so I won't watch it". On the other hand these people aren't going to be happy until everything they dislike has been purified from anime, most notably fanservice.
You're pushing the wrong buttons here. Personally I don't mind seeing takes like the @sothis posted even though I don't get the same visceral reaction so long as people don't try to paint fans of the media in question as disgusting excuses for human beings for finding certain aspects of fiction palatable, which I think we're all above doing.
Okay, but we don't need a lot of things, including anime itself, that's not a very good argument as to why we shouldn't have it. Since I have nothing really to go on though, I'll add this: since we don't need it, we have it for the same reason we have a lot of things, because we, or at least enough people, want it and that's it.
You don't need to glorify molestation in order to have fanservice, especially by having it be a character's only actual reason to exist in the story at all.
You're not scoring yourself points by rigging all that straw.
Yes, some people love seeing women being molested and treated like objects. Literally no one is or has been disputing that. Your argument can just as easily be twisted to defend casual racism, [x]phobia, pedophilia or anything else messed up that is only there to please a segment of viewers. Yeah there's people that will pay to see kids get diddled. Why would that be a defense of it being made a prominent feature of a series? It's a complete non-argument.
I honestly am not sure how to reply to this, I don't personally mind seeing anyone's take necessarily. However, I still hold this opinion, and I don't think these people make these criticisms in good faith either. As I said, they won't be happy until the things they dislike are gone, whether other people happen to like them or not be damned. I also addressed redneck specifically because I didn't want to say anything to anyone in particular. If they want to engage me on my opinion about their takes, that's fine, but I didn't want to directly go at them or anything. I agree about your past point though, but that's not that common from what I read on here thankfully.
Yea, I know, but you still use "excessive" as a qualifier, which is more than can be said for someone who sees this episode and immediately writes it off as fanservice infested.
Are you actually serious? All you said is that we don't need x, and then left the conclusion to be that it therefore shouldn't exist. Maybe if you made an actual fucking argument as to why you think it shouldn't exist I'd have a better response.
How does that even follow literally anything being discussed? "Yeah we don't need molestation scenes, but we don't need anime at all technically." what?
Well actually, I would say that if you can't tell me why any of these things are wrong. Then maybe they aren't! Except not really, because I could at least explain why they're wrong. So have other people, and most people agree that they're wrong. However, I don't see it as necessary for me to defend fanservice in anime if you can't even tell me why it's wrong. Also, btw, depictions of phobia, pedophilia, and other messed up things are still considered fine, in the context of fiction, or at the very least people have the freedom to do so (in most cases, though this might not apply everywhere). Which, is exactly what anime is, fiction, and the molestation that happens in anime is also fiction.
You conflated fanservice with molestation, presenting them as mutually exclusive. They aren't, but you repeatedly insist they are. The argument we have made is pretty clear, but you have stacked all that hay up into shapes that are easier for you to deal with in your head.
Did you even read what I wrote? I explicitly explained to you that this is in the context of those things being there for consumer enjoyment. So that would be having racist stereotypes to please racists, sexed up kids to please pedophiles, and rape that has no purpose in the narrative other than to give viewers a stiffie. And similar. Rape, pedophilia, racism, all of those can be subject matter in a story. No one is arguing that, so drop it.
Fanservice via molestation, is not the same as fanservice via skimpy clothes, which is not the same as fanservice via voyeuristic camera angles, so on and so forth. There I'm actively acknowledging that not every form of fanservice is the same. I would like to restate, that fanservice that "glorifies molestation" not being needed (to have fanservice, as you pointed out), is not an argument as to why we shouldn't (or more importantly can't) have fanservice via molestation.
Yes, and I would say that even if not in the same manner, a lot of these things are still there in fiction for consumer enjoyment. They're used to build the story, narrative, themes, ect, and this all contributes to the enjoyment of consumption. Granted, I do see what you mean, in that they're not meant to be actively enjoyed typically speaking. That said, lolis and shotas are somewhat commonly consumed in sexual media. Rape definitely is, though typically in hentai or literature, opposed to say pornography. Only one of these three things you mentioned isn't actively used as pleasurable entertainment. One could argue that the existence of categories based on race, in itself is racism, so hey maybe that's covered to (this is mostly a joke).
Sorry, when I said "(in most cases, though this might not apply everywhere)" I meant for that to apply to the entire sentence. Obviously there will be some exceptions, but for the most part it's fine, even ones in which these things are glorified. Also, just because something receives negative criticism, doesn't mean it isn't fine in the context that I'm saying this. I'm saying fine as in "wouldn't be banned or lead to the author's arrest in the major markets", major markets in this case I consider Japan and the United States.
I'll be more shocked if that isn't the case, they really didn't hide that one at all did they lol. I also think that maybe
