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NerdFail says...

lol wow okay, I was planning on not responding, but your post seriously pissed me off. Honestly, I was just trying to put things past. I disagreed with you, and you disagreed with me, and I was completely fine with that. I stated why I believed you came to the conclusions you came to, and I tried to be as respectful as possible in doing so. But what you said near the end of your last response was completely unneccessary and uncalled for. I only wanted to stop responding because I felt like this could go back and forth forever, but if you wish to continue, then so be it.

"I am assuming what the show is telling me. If there is a thing called the police, i will assume it is like my own police, unless stated to be a completely different task force with its own in-laws......It was never explained if the police did something different than our polise so of course the viewer assumes the obvious. So as you can see, I am right and you are wrong."

Firstly in a matter of opinions, there are no rights and wrongs. There are only things you should avoid doing, such as making baseless assumptions. Now like I've said for the umpteenth time, while it may be a police, you cannot assume that the police acts the same way as your own police. I mean, heck, the police of different nations in real life act very differently. Therefore you cannot just assume that the police will act in the same way as your police do. For all you know, there could be a police force in the world that doesn't bother to contact the parents if the child was in some kind of trouble but was then saved (hypothetically speaking; I'm not saying such a police force exists).

And again, like I stated, while they did not very specifically state "we are a special police force and we handle things differently than a police force in real life", such specific indications aren't necessary. Why? Because by observing how the police in this anime acts, we can determine these things for ourselves. At no point in the anime are we shown that the police contacts the parents of a child that was in some sort of danger. Therefore, it is logical to conclude that such is not a custom of theirs. If the police did contact the parents at some point in the anime, then your statements would be justified as they are contradicting themselves. However, because their actions consistently show that they don't attempt to make parental contact unless absolutely necessary, you cannot make the assumption that their police acts similarily to yours as they've done nothing to show that, but have done everything to show otherwise.

"He couldn't quit either and eventually it would be his turn to die. Not saving it."

Not exactly sure what you're trying to say as the last sentence doesn't really make sense, but I'll try and respond with what I do understand from it. When Yuki and Yuno first made the pact with Fourth, they did not know it was impossible for them to stop the game. And that was the reason why Fourth teamed up with Yuki (and indirectly Yuno); because he knew that Yuki also did not have the desire to be a god. He also knew that if they weren't capable of stopping the game, that he would want to eliminate the rest of the competitors with Yuki so that the person who becomes a god in the end would be one of them. Of course, this all changed after he learned that his son was terminally ill, and decided that he had to try and become the god.

"First you tell me not to assume anything and then you go on assuming all that crap. When I do it is wrong, when you do it is fine. Thanks for contradicting yourself."

I did not make any assumptions (at the very least in the two statements you pointed out). The only reason I made those statements were to simply elicit the possibility. In the first statement ("there's no telling that the police ever bothered contacting parents in the first place due to Fourth's influence.") I was simply stating that it would be impossible to say that the police actually told the parents in the first place because of Fourth's influence. Of course, it is possible, however there was nothing to suggest that they did so, and more to suggest that they didn't. It was only stated to show you that you cannot assume the police called their parents when nothing suggested such.

Then the next statement you pointed out ("It is possible that he did leave a few dogs in his house") was, once again, only stated to point out the possibility. You stated with certainty that Tenth did not leave behind any dogs to guard his house (though this time with some basis as Fourth seemingly got in very easily), however I suggested the possibility that he could have left behind dogs and that Fourth simply got past them. Whether or not either is true I cannot say. I suppose you could argue that it's a plot hole that the author should have filled in, but honestly, whether or not Fourth encountered any resistance when he entered Tenth's house is such a miniscule detail, that I personally don't see the need to answer it. Regardless of what may have happened in the instances before Tenth's assassination, in the end, all we really need to take from that is that Fourth was able to take out Tenth, and was also able to do so without being caught.

"I understand, you want to stop because you realized you are making a fool out of yourself for defending this bullshit series. Or am I assuming again too much? Ok, I will let you assume what you think is right since it appears you do it right and I am not."

I do not believe I'm making a fool out of myself in the least, and I don't think this series is bullshit at all. I believe that this is a great anime, and you have absolutely no right to say that I'm wrong. Similarily I have no right to say that you're wrong either, and I've tried to avoid doing so in all my responses. The only thing I've been trying to do is show you that you should avoid making baseless assumptions, and that all the assumptions you do make should be based off of what you are presented with in the anime. So if you are presented with a scenario where the police do not bother notifying parents about incidents there child was in, then you must conclude that such is the norm in this society.

However, I will admit that I may have been a bit aggressive in some of my posts, and so for that I will apologize. With that said, I still stand by everything I've said up till now. Anyways, let me know whether you care to continue this back and forth. I'm more than capable of continuing to do so, but we've come to a point where we both seem to not be able to agree with each other, and trying to make any more counter arguments to each other seems senseless (in my opinion). However if you wish to continue this back and forth, I don't mind wasting the effort.

May 4, 2012
IndependentSK says...

OK so far you have reviewed 14 anime with score over 8 and 3 over 9, that's not very generous.

Also, I would enjoy you reviewing (or making rants) on these anime:

Oreimo, some yaoi crap like junjou romantica, K-On or lucky Star

May 4, 2012
IndependentSK says...

Even though I mostly disagree with you, it's welcoming to see someone reviewing anime more objectively

P.S. Write some more positive reviews already!

May 4, 2012
NerdFail says...

lol, honestly I think we can probably go back and forth giving counter-arguments, but obviously that's gonna get us nowhere. You have your opinion, and I have my own. While I totally disagree with everything you say is wrong with the show even now, I'm gonna stop with this post. So anyways, on with the post.

"I enjoy a lot of fantasy and sci-fi shows as long as they don't mess their in-logic."

Which means you should be fine with Mirai Nikki. See, what you're constantly doing is your forcing your own logic on to this show. You assume that just because there's a certain aspect in a show, such as the police, or parents, that they should behave in exactly the same way as they do in your personal life. But that's something you shouldn't be assuming.

"Who also wanted Yuki dead. That makes sense."

He only wanted Yuki dead later on, when he found out that his son was terminally ill, and that the only way to save him was to become a god. Before that, during the incidents with Ninth, Sixth (and Twelfth), and Fifth, Fourth was still on Yuki's side, and didn't care about becoming a god. Wanting Yuki dead later on was not a personal grudge; it was just because he knew that if he wanted to become a god to save his son, getting rid of Yuki ASAP was necessary.

"There is a thing called the police and another thing called telephones. If both didn't exist in this show, I would accept it. But since they do, and assuming the police would bother contacting the parents of every kid who was almost killed in that bombing, you are making a fool of yourself for believing in such a lame explanation."

Now, there are a few things you have to note here. Firstly, we know that Fourth is the police captain, so he's calling all the shots. Secondly, we know that (originally) he wanted to work with Yuki and Yuno to try and stop the game. It's really not that much of a stretch to think that he simply did not have the force inform his mother due to complications that would arise from it. Now in real life (at least in North America), the chief of police would likely have no choice but to inform the guardian of someone under age, but again, this is a fictional story with it's own type of world. Seeing the amount authority and power Fourth has over the police force makes such an idea plausible. Also, I do not see in any way how contacting the parents of the other children would somehow make his mother gain knowledge of the incident. He's very distant from the other children at the beginning, so more likely than not his mother is distant from the other parents as well. Besides, once again, there's no telling that the police ever bothered contacting parents in the first place due to Fourth's influence.

"It is also natural to leave a few dogs at home just so a common thief won't sneak in. When in war, you don't send all your armies to the battle field."

Well firstly you cannot even make the assumption that no dogs were left at his house. It is possible that he did leave a few dogs in his house, and that Fourth was able to take care of them. Humans are capable of such due to their intelligence. Heck, a simple pistol with a silencer would be enough to take care of them (more than plausible for a police chief if you ask me).

But assuming he did not leave the dogs at home, that can be explained very easily. Tenth and his daughter had the very firm belief that the only person who knew of their diary and location was Akise. They did not even consider the thought that there may have been another who knew of his location. With their attention focused entirely on trying to get rid of Akise, it's more than possible that they did not think it not to be necessary to leave any dogs home since the only threat they thought existed within the vicinity was him. Sure it would still have been smart if they left some dogs for protection just in case, but when you're in the middle of war and are forced to make strategies and decisions with the pressure of knowing there's no second chance, you sometimes make choices that aren't the most intelligent.

The one thing I'm noticing in most of your counter-arguments (and error list) is that you assume that many of the aspects of the show should work exactly in the same manor as you expect them to in your life, but that's an assumption you cannot make. This is a completely original world created within the mind of the author. Basic concepts that we've all come to understand are often used as a base, for example, the concept of the police, etc, however it is not such that they should behave exactly in the same manor as they would in "real life". Even though the author doesn't explicitly state exactly how all these different factors like the police and what not, work, these are things that shouldn't need to be explicitly stated, but rather, should simply be understood as you watch the anime and watch the world unfold.

Anyways, like I said before I most likely won't respond after this, but you're free to give your counter arguments if you so wish.

May 4, 2012
NerdFail says...

lol honestly, all of your points are far too narrow-minded in my opinion. It seems your logic is 100% realistic, and completely sensible, or nothing. As I've stated many times already, there does not exist any sort of anime, movie, television show, etc that is completely sensible and realistic simultaneously; such a show is almost certainly to be very boring. And even if one did exist, it's likely to be 1 in a million.

"When a story is based on an idea you know it can't happen in practice (even through in-series logic) then there is no way to like the show."

So what you're saying here is that most stories cannot be enjoyed at all, while the rest aren't very likeable either. In other words when people say they like an anime, they actually mean they didn't really enjoy it much. Yeah, that makes sense.

"Yes, and how conveniently it worked. He could have used anything and it would still work. And I love how nobody was trying to shield the miko all that time."

Well firstly, of course it would work; it's not that it was convenient at all. It is completely natural for a person to look up when they notice something being thrown in the air. And if you're talking about the fact that it's convinient that it just happened to be her ball, the only purpose of that was to add a sort of irony. The disappearance of the ball was the "death" of her world, and then when she was truly on death's doorsteps, it happens to reappear.

"With this logic, none would be able to kill the other one, ever. But they did and it was cheap. Then that eye patch bitch appears and saves them for no reason. THAT MAKES SENSE!"

Again, what you have to realize is that every person's diary predicts differently. For example, Yuki's can only tell him what will happen around him in the future; it cannot tell him what happens elsewhere, or to himself. Or Yuno's only tells her what will happen to Yuki. So their diaries are limitted to what they are able to see, which makes it so that only one can come out on top. And Ninth saving them was not for herself; it was already explained in the anime that she was doing it to return a favour to Fourth after the incident with Sixth and Twelfth.

"Do you think that explains anything? How did his mother not know about it?"

Yes, it explains why most of the people in the school didn't know anything about him; because none of them went to his old school (so they don't know of his involvement). Then why doesn't his mother know? Again, it's already been explained that because of her job, his mother is very distant from him; I mean, she literally comes home maybe once every several months (and that's only maybe). Without any kind of relatives close by actually keeping an eye on him, it's really not hard to believe that she simply had not heard of the incident, especially considering Yuki's nature in that he wants to keep as much info about his sudden lifestyle change hidden from his mother.

"Yes, it would be too hard to just send the dogs against Akise or keep them at home for security."

At this point I feel like I'm repeating myself. Hinata and Tenth believed that Akise actually possessed a diary of his own. His snooping around their residences also led them to believe that he had some information on their own diary. Without any knowledge on what his "diary" was actually capable of, simply being so direct and sending the dogs against him would be far too foolish of a plan. Also keeping them at home for security does not prevent him from still snooping around. Remember, they were trying to deter all the others competitors from them so that they could try and move past the game. If Akise continued to linger around them, they would constantly feel like they were never safe, and wouldn't be able to move past the game. Of course, in the end he did not have a diary at all, but again, they did not know this at first, and as a competitor of such a deadly game, it's only natural that they perform such an elaborate and indirect plan in order to try and trap him.

You say that regardless of what I say it's impossible to excuse a single event, but I do not feel like I'm excusing any of the events at all. I'll admit that there were several instances that were "out of whack" for lack of a better term, but as for the ones I pointed out, and many others, I see absolutely nothing that needs excusing because I feel like they completely fit in context with the story and how it was presented. So no, I can't admit it was a dumb anime, because from my perspective it was not that in the least. To me it seems like you simply wish to find absolutely any excuse possible to dislike this anime, possibly because it is generally considered a very enjoyable one (and you want to go against the flow?). The only reason I'm saying that is because most of the things I've read in your review aren't nearly as bad as you say they are, and I can think of no other reason why you would be so overly pessimistic about a show (unless that's simply your nature).

May 3, 2012