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AnimePixel Mar 1, 2020

//1. He is not a womanizer. No woman actually wants him. His count below his belt is zero. He is a creep who harasses women. The fact that he has so much fans really disturbs me. It shows that this world truly would accept ANY guy who acts like this, regardless of how pushy they are towards women. "Yeah, he's like that and chases after girls and they say no and reject him, but he's so funny!" No, he isn't. He's not funny at all and I don't sympathise with him at all.

2. I don't care whether he wants to protect Nezuko and his friends. Because this trait is a trait that every. single. other Kimetsu character has. Name me ONE person from the GOOD SIDE who DO NOT WANT TO PROTECT PEOPLE CLOSE TO THEM. It's clear which side he belongs to. It's not a valid point to defend his character. I don't care if he is shy or timid or a scaredy cat. I absolutely do NOT accept his behaviour towards girls. Full stop. This is anime. He is an anime character. If you like him, cool. But I'm also free to dislike him and I don't think my reasons are unsound.

3. You are saying that it is okay to be lazy, because he doesn't want to be a demon hunter. And yet what did he say? He said he wanted to become BETTER. So how do you become better? BY being lazy? By skipping out on training? Okay, good going. He does nothing and he pulls the 7th form out of his butt while all other pillars sacrificed their limbs and their lives to be on the front lines. What an awesome role model Zenitsu is. Wow!

4. Zenitsu is not an important character, regardless of how much you want to spin this. He is absolutely dispensable and his character does NOT move the storyline and does not affect it in any way. He is a mistake Gotouge has made. 

5. Just because you tell me that his backstory "is not lame" does not make it "not lame". I'm not sure what you are trying to achieve here. You're trying to change my mind? It's not going to happen. Your defenses don't even make sense.//

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1) Like I've said, I don't like the fact that he goes after women even though he's been clearly rejected, so I agree with you that this aspect of his personality is really frustrating and anyone can tell women are uncomfortable around him. I do hope he stops trying to chase women when it's obvious he doesn't have a chance. Sure, you can have your own view of thinking if he's funny or not, it's fair to say he is and he isn't, I've felt that way too.

2) One of the main reasons why people are so against your comments of Zenitsu is that you said he doesn't care for Nezuko and just harasses her. I know that all good characters in anime would protect their friends and such, but it means a lot that he would protect Nezuko because as you know, in the anime, Nezuko was hated not only by the bad guys but also the good guys, all because she is a demon. The fact that Zenitsu protected Nekuco with his body (even knowing she's a demon) just shows how he can also be brave and that you can not not like him in that episode. You do have the right to dislike him, but I do want you to also know that there are good traits to him. You're only listing all the bad sides, but not any of his good traits. You can't judge a character on only one of his aspects (the fact that he harasses women) because that's not the only side of him. I think he is a good character, not the best and still needs work, but he deserves better than to just only be labeled a womanizer when his personality does not goes down to only that.

3) Ok first thing first, you're really funny. Like I actually laughed when you said he pulls his 7th form outta his butt. I know you were trying to be serious, but still, that was, like, really unexpected. I have to say that he didn't just have that form for no reason. I'm sure that in the anime, during his past, they somewhat let us know that when his grandfather told him to come down from that tree that he scrambled up because he didn't want to train, he not only came down but also decided to work hard even though he didn't want to. I would say that maybe a small part of his natural talent came to play but learning the seventh form was also a part of his training he did. I don't think he can just not train and somehow still obtain a form anyways. Yes, he did say many times he wants to be better but doesn't change his attitude towards working. I would say that he isn't the ideal role model, but his character and struggles in itself can be related to a lot of people. His character honestly shows how humane he is compared to other characters in the anime. Tanjiro is like that good boy who is not afraid of anything and tries hard for everything which a lot of people IRL would not relate to. I relate to Zenitsu too, I always want courage and to accomplish something, but couldn't. So what I'm basically getting at is that though Tanjiro and other characters in the anime are role models, Zenitsu isn't, he is a character that most people can relate to and also feel on a spiritual level. Sure he can be annoying and such, but I feel that that's what makes him so much more human than everyone else.

4) I want to agree that he doesn't change the plot or storyline and that he is plain compared to other characters. He may not be as important to the story as other characters, but he is one of the main characters and he eases the tension, unlike the other characters who are only set on the killing of demons and revenge and such. He is important for lightening the mood by his carefreeness and I think he will undergo character development. I would not, however, say that he is a mistake. He is definitely a good small addition to the anime as you can tell by his fans and though he is sometimes stupid and clueless, he is a friend Tanjiro and the others rely on. He gives off a vibe of a character that has difficulties socializing in his own way, but also a serious vibe when he needs to.

5) Not many characters hate work so they run up a tree then got struck by thunder. You can't say his background is boring. I liked how they explained his weird hairstyle by saying its cuz of thunder. Besides, you can't dis his back story when you know Tanjiro's back story isn't that grand either. Like it's obvious they had Tanjiro go to town so that his sister can turn into a demon and he won't die like his other unfortunate family members. Sure his story has more of an impact because people died and it marked the day he changed, but it's not THAT cliche proof. It's also pretty cliched that a master trained him and he had difficulties at first, but then got better because he's determined. Anyways I wonder what you mean by a not lame background. If you think Zenitsu's background is lame, it's probably because the anime really didn't dwell on his background too much. They kind of just eh whatever and gave him like a one episode background that was more of a summary of his past than a detailed event. Heck, we don't even know Inosuke's background besides the fact that he was born wild raised wild and shit. To me, Inosuke is a mysterious character, the total opposite of Zenitsu. What part of my defense doesn't make sense? I'm happy to explain every letter to you.

silverwine Feb 24, 2020

Honestly from what I can see you blatantly ignore the fact that Zenitsu did actually become strong. 

Read above. I justify it because your arguments are literally not making any sense. 

Do you understand how many injuries he got while fighting and you just say "By screaming throughout the fight and then passing out again after that fight". He doesn't even scream most of the time while fighting. Everyone screams from injuries. While fighting, Zenitsu is silent.

I think you didn't finish reading the manga, because there is no harassing in the later parts. I understand that he did harass Nezuko at the start of the series, but not anymoreCan't you see that?

Yes, he does have a geniuine crush on Nezuko. What kind of boy wouldn't have a geniuine crush on a girl, if he was dreaming of taking her to a flower field? 

Yes, he calmed down. It's even written in his fandom page.

He calmed down. Don't you understand those three words? He became less aggressive, and stopped doing that. What can he even do right now, when almost all of the demon slayers are dead/in critical condition?

What have you been reading? i think you are the one who is "practicing selective reading".

I believe they are not. Because at least I see that every character has worth, including Zenitsu.

When did I ever say I blamed him? I only said that Sanemi is strong and didn't take mercy on people. That doesn't mean I blame him.

Just so you know, I am a girl myself. So what would be wrong with her future? Zenitsu will protect her, they would live a decent life, like Uzui.

Yes, he changed, you just don't see it or refuse to. 

From where did my friends and grandma come from? Just look at how many people love him, and you tell me that only my relatives think he is comedic? That's a crappy joke, you know.

silverwine Feb 22, 2020

He can't do the 2-6th forms, sure, but he at least honed the 1st form to the max. Don't forger Godspeed, too. He created the 7th form to fight alongside Kaigaku, because he wanted to be equal. He created the 7th form so he could make up for all the other forms he couldn't do. 

This doesn't have to do anything with Giyuu knowing the 1-10th forms. He created the 11th form himself, as so did Zenitsu. That makes Zenitsu a exceptional character, considering the fact, that Zenitsu created it, like Giyuu. They are the only 2 people known as of now, to create their own unique form.

He fights asleep yes, but that way he reaches his true potential, he is moving purely on instinct. And may I inform you, as the story goes on, he depends on sleeping through fights less, and he is capable of doing the same thing awake now. 

Since when is Inosuke gentlemanly? And, Zenitsu is not harassing Nezuko. Where'd you get this from? He has a geniuine crush on Nezuko. Sure, at the start, he constantly tried to trick her into marrying him and mention his love for her, but he calmed down. He talked with Nezuko, often telling stories of the missions he goes to with Tanjirou and he even promised to take her to a flower field. Is this what you call harassment? Zenitsu changed. Yes, he stopped being a pervert. Considering the ongoing arc, yes, he stopped being a coward. 

By 'people', I meant everyone. But this talk is about Zenitsu. Don't include everyone here. I am not blaming Sanemi one bit. I am also not telling you to go into a fictional world, I only asked how would you feel in his place. And I am certainly not taking this as seriously as you think.

Yes, I used the real life examples, because they can be applied to anime too. No one denied it. 

He changed. And a lot. Believe me, I do not "practice selective reading". Just so you know, I am rereading the manga right now.

I have pretty good manners, if i may say. Zenitsu haters are the worst, too. Don't make yourself the only one right here. 

For most people, he is a comedic character. It's just your hate for him that makes you not see it.

avalilien Feb 22, 2020

@Shinazugawa

/Geez, don't you understand that Zenitsu is meant to be funny, cowardly and a crybaby? He defeated his childhood friend turned demon for god's sake. you say he doesnt train/refuses to? he created his own 7th form. //

He doesn't even know 2-6th form still, and he suddenly has a 7th form. LOL. Mangaka's pet. A loser who isn't the MC but was given the golden plotkai by the mangaka so he could obtain the 7th form!!!1

//Only giyuu did that as of now, creating a new form.//

LOL what has this got to do with Giyuu? Your reading comprehension needs work. Giyuu knows Form 1-11th. Zenitsu, I repeat, doesn't even know 2nd-6th, suddenly pulls out a 7th - and still fights ASLEEP like the coward he is.

//sure, he can be ugly, but he isnt always ugly?//

HOW IS THIS A DEFENSE? "He's always been ugly so it's not a valid criticism" ??????? 

//Zenitsu didn't even want to be a swordsman in the first place. He was an orphan and indebted to some girl, so Jigoro took him in, taught him teh thunder breathing and made him be his sucessor along with Kaigaku. "I WANT TO MAKE MYSELF BETTER!!" Zenitsu said this. and he did. from that little boy who only knew how to do Thunder clap Flash, to a strong demon slayer who defeated upper moon 6. thats amazing development. and with the 7th form, too. He may run away from training, but he doesn't give up. Sure, Shinobu helped him that one time with total concentration all day all night, but he still did it, along with Inosuke.

//And bro, hes only 16, puberty? hormones? hornyness? ever thought about that? hes a teenager, for god's sake. Off topic, but pre-puberty Genya punched girls, so now that he's in puberty, he furiously blushes around them. thats almost the same. Zenitsu is normally a flirt, so you should expect this. "I hate myself more than anyone! I want to improve myself and make myself better! I want to be a better person and I want to be stronger!!" do you understand how strong Sanemi is? it's sanemi's pillar training that Zenitsu was at that pic, so how could he not want to get away? Sanemi doesn't take mercy on people, Zenitsu's no exception, so what do you expect? he's getting beat up, even more than with Tokitou and Uzui. how would you yourself feel in place of Zenitsu? i think you would be the same. //

Don't go around excusing boys for their behaviour just because of their HORMONES!!!!! Has any of the other guys in the manga acted this way towards girls? Inosuke was basically raised like an animal, so should he treat girls like animals too? Inosuke had great development. He went from saying to Shinobu, "I will rip your boobs out" to actually fighting Douma in her memory, for his mother's sake, and remembering Shinobu fondly. He helped Kanao in the fight, picked up her sword for her like a good gentlemanly boy DESPITE being raised among boars. Zenitsu had a loving adopted grandfather and yet he turned out like SHIT.

Genya went through development, didn't he? He stopped pulling girls' hair. He stopped being violent.

Has Zenitsu stopped harassing Nezuko? Has he stopped being a disgusting pervert? Has he stopped being a coward?

LOL Everyone had to go through Sanemi's training. EVERYONE. Don't blame Sanemi for Zenitsu's cowardice and failure. You said this is fiction, and yet you're asking me, a real person, to go into a fictional world and take a fictional character's place. You asked me not to take this seriously. And yet you're taking someone's dislike of a fictional character SO SERIOUSLY. Stans like you - suck.

//"I DON'T KNOW WHEN I WILL DIE! SO PLEASE, MARRY ME!!!" this doesn't have anything to do with real life, so don't even mention it. damn, its just anime. why do you go so deep? no ones going to do this in real life. it's an anime, for god's sake. Don't take it so seriously. none of this is real. sure, the girl would be a widow, but still, that won't happen anytime soon because Zenitsu is strong. He will protect himself and others, especially his wife and the people he trusts.//

Read the above.

Also, this has everything to do with real life. You've just tried to defend this character using real life examples like "HORMONES!!!" You used real life example of how teenagers "ARE IN PUBERTY!!!"

You cry "HOW TERRIBLE IT IS BECAUSE HE IS AN ORPHAN, BECAUSE SANEMI'S TRAINING IS SO HARD, SO HE COULDN'T DEAL!"

And now you're saying to me, don't use real life examples. You're full of contradictory bollocks.

//That pic was before the natagumo mountain arc, and Zenitsu defeated the older spider demon himself, while he was poisoned. and you are saying he is weak? read the manga again, you fool. //

The pic exists, therefore it is part of the entire story. It is part of Zenitsu's life history. It is an incident in this fictional life. Don't pretend it didn't happen or no longer viable because he sure didn't change a lot since then. Don't practice selective reading like an awful stan.

And last of all, "read the manga again you fool!" please learn some goddamn manners if you're trying to defend a helpless fictional character instead of insulting people just because they don't share your love for someone drawn in ink on paper. Zenitsu stans are the worst. The one who should be rereading the manga is you. All of his stans. Reread it. Don't even talk to me if you don't buy the actual volume, you all scans leechers.

Also, don't tell me "Zenitsu is a comedic character". Because I definitely don't find him funny.

avalilien Feb 22, 2020

@AnimePixel

/I do have to say that I disagree with most of the things you say. There is always going to be that one character in a hero/hunter anime that is the shy/timid/scary cat that is only alive by sheer luck. I do agree that I'm not particularly fond of the fact that he is a womanizer, but he means good and he sincerely does want to protect Nezuko and his friends. I guess you can say that his lazy personality shows through his lack of training, but who doesn't wanna be lazy, after all, he never really wanted to become a demon hunter. His back story is not lame, not as lame as some others and even though he is frightened all the time, he won't abandon his friends or the mission. His skill is obviously not the best, but that's how almost all anime characters start out. They gradually improve as the story continues, if they don't, they'll die. Zenitsu is too important of a character to let die and you can't really dis a character just because of his looks or what they wear. He's not perfect, I admit, but he's not the worst and his skill is pretty good if he is able to be conscious during it and control when to activate it. He definitely has talent if he could use a skill unconsciously, not many could do that.//

1. He is not a womanizer. No woman actually wants him. His count below his belt is zero. He is a creep who harasses women. The fact that he has so much fans really disturbs me. It shows that this world truly would accept ANY guy who acts like this, regardless of how pushy they are towards women. "Yeah, he's like that and chases after girls and they say no and reject him, but he's so funny!" No, he isn't. He's not funny at all and I don't sympathise with him at all.

2. I don't care whether he wants to protect Nezuko and his friends. Because this trait is a trait that every. single. other Kimetsu character has. Name me ONE person from the GOOD SIDE who DO NOT WANT TO PROTECT PEOPLE CLOSE TO THEM. It's clear which side he belongs to. It's not a valid point to defend his character. I don't care if he is shy or timid or a scaredy cat. I absolutely do NOT accept his behaviour towards girls. Full stop. This is anime. He is an anime character. If you like him, cool. But I'm also free to dislike him and I don't think my reasons are unsound.

3. You are saying that it is okay to be lazy, because he doesn't want to be a demon hunter. And yet what did he say? He said he wanted to become BETTER. So how do you become better? BY being lazy? By skipping out on training? Okay, good going. He does nothing and he pulls the 7th form out of his butt while all other pillars sacrificed their limbs and their lives to be on the front lines. What an awesome role model Zenitsu is. Wow!

4. Zenitsu is not an important character, regardless of how much you want to spin this. He is absolutely dispensable and his character does NOT move the storyline and does not affect it in any way. He is a mistake Gotouge has made. 

5. Just because you tell me that his backstory "is not lame" does not make it "not lame". I'm not sure what you are trying to achieve here. You're trying to change my mind? It's not going to happen. Your defenses don't even make sense.