Fullmetal Alchemist

[CodeWordChobits]

Episode 40:

I found where they talk about the Homonculus being created or whatever...
Ep-40 about 12min into it after Scar has told about his relationship with Lust

Scar - "My brother was exiled because th Great Art was forbidden in Ishbal. But had my brother succeeded? That woman named Lust..."

Ed - "Do you know how the Homonculus are born? When someone fails a human transmutation, that failed result is a Homonculus."

Scar and Lira together *shocked gasps*

Lira - "That reminds me of something Dante told me. She said that she failed a human transmutation and created a Homonculus."

Ed - "That was probably Greed. But at that state, they shouldn't be able to survive for long. Someone must be collecting Homonculus like Lust or Envy, and giving them multiple lives in order to control them."

Scar - "Then it was my brother who created Lust."

There you have it right from the source =)

[Dender Cage]

About Tucker/Nina:

I'm not so sure that they say that it is the soul. From... wrath i think it was. Wasn't there a whole arc about how he was one of those shadow things from the gate?

And the "incomplete transmutation" they say is that there is no equivilant for the human soul. Tucker didn't give anything up... because he used the Stone (part of metal-butt). Because there was no equivilant for the soul, they'd make an empty vessel... and something else would take up residence. Whether it was a fragment of the old soul mixed with whatever was out there, or the soul that had been twisted into insanity from.. ya know... being dead or whatever, i dunno. I didn't pay that close of attention.

About Wrath:

Wrath is not one of those shadows, he was left there by Izumo and managed to get out somehow by taking Edd's leg and arm, or something.

[CodeWordChobits]

Originally Posted by Dender Cage

I'm not so sure that they say that it is the soul. From... wrath i think it was. Wasn't there a whole arc about how he was one of those shadow things from the gate?

In episode 48 Izumi-sensei and Ed are talking about the recently sealed Lust, when Tucker comes up behind them;

Izumi - "Who's there?"

Tucker - "Nina greet them.What's wrong? Are you embarassed?(when there is still no pesponse from the lifeless doll in his arms)I see."

Ed - "Her soul wasn't bound was it?"

Tucker - "Nina, shall we play? Yes Alexander. Where is Alexander? He's really something, right, Nina?"

Izumi - "Is this okay with you?"

Ed - "A soulless doll. This is the shape of his sins. He will live with it."

Tucker - (retreats back underground continuing to mumble to Nina.)

Tucker had managed to create soul-less copies of Nina before the Stone was completed (which is what everyone else has been calling the second Nina chimeras) him not creating a Homonculus has nothing to do with him using the stone to manage it... He used the stone to try and bind a soul with the "Nina dolls" he had created, but failed. They don't only make an empty vessel... they create a Homonculus... but like the quote from Ep - 40 that I just posted states;

"But at that state, they shouldn't be able to survive for long. Someone must be collecting Homonculus like Lust or Envy, and giving them multiple lives in order to control them."

That tells you that when they make these failed transmutations that the thing they brought back was alive. There is never any kind of mention of something taking up residence inside the empty bodies that are brought back, allowing them to use some of the old memories. The whole point of Lust remembering who she was before, is to explain the fact that they are the same people, brought back through the gate.



And Wrath is the baby that Izumi tried to bring back... but he was only able to get out of The Gate when Ed gave up his arm and leg. In fact they pretty much tell us this when Ed goes back to ask Izumi for any part of her dead child's body, to fight the Homonculi with. He was given over to the gate by Izumi after the failed transmutation. In Ep - 31 Wrath talks about his time before coming back from the gate.

Wrath - "I remember everything. The only thing I could do was wait across that gate. Just waited and waited... And then my body gradually grew. One day, an idiot dropped by. That idiot camn and put his arm and leg across the gate. He was screaming something like, 'Give back my little brother.' So I decided to take his arm and leg. And after a long time, I finally opened the gate. I finally came out!"

Ed - "This can't be..."

Wrath - " (to Ed) Thank you for the arm and leg. (to Izumi) Thank you for the defective life. My hate is insufficient in expressing the gratitude I feel for you. (again to Ed) Now give me your entire body! Then I will become human!

I think you really need to watch this one again Dender... because as this discussion has been going on I have been rewatching some of the episodes (both english and subbed versions) and I see where you get some of these ideas but like you said you must not have paid very good attention... seems like your just remembering parts and not all of it...

[DownwardDog]

alright, i'm sure most have seen FMA a long time ago, but i thought i'd bring it up b/c i'm watching it now. couple of random observations:

1- why is Sloth the head of the Homunculi? wouldn't she be too lazy or apathetic to organize all that?

2- does the relationship of the StateAlchemists/Ishbalans remind anyone else of the Nazi/Jews? i mean it isn't even just metaphorical or analogous.... the head state alchemist is the "fuhrer"... wtf?

[gin]

1.
probably because sloth is closest to the core (except for pride). and can assume every form which usually makes a great leader.

2.
so what, quite a lot of movies make in one way or another references to world war 2. (most famously star wars).
though i would see it more as a metapher for americans/arabs. führer just means leader...or as in zugführer or lastwagenführer also driver. in the german meaning it has also much of a connotation as a religious leader, so actually this term would be reserved for jesus...but hitler used it to enhance his personality cult (this is quite common in dictatorships...the korean guy or stalin did so as well)

[1010rikku]

Someone posted a good comment on my profile regarding this series...and I had no answer, maybe someone else knows the answer.

It's a little of a spoiler, so if you haven't seen the whole thing yet, do not press!!

who was gluttony? we kinda find out about where each homunculi comes from, except for gluttony

[DeusVult]

1. Dont really have an answer for that one.

2. I've made that correlation too. But I suppose it comes out more stikingly similar to ppl from the US. Gin makes a good point.

[Kastrophee]

Originally Posted by 1010rikku

Someone posted a good comment on my profile regarding this series...and I had no answer, maybe someone else knows the answer.

It's a little of a spoiler, so if you haven't seen the whole thing yet, do not press!!

who was gluttony? we kinda find out about where each homunculi comes from, except for gluttony

Origins of all of them, from wikipedia, the show doesn't say anything other then this though (MAJOR SPOILERS):

Envy- Created by Hohenheim over 400 years ago in an attempt to resurrect his and Dante's 18 year old son, the first Homunculus. (Envy's true form is an 18 year old with blonde hair)

Greed- Created by Dante before being sealed over 140 years ago (between 250 and 300 years of age), believed to have been created from a man that was a former lover of Dante.

Gluttony- Created by Dante. Old enough to remember Greed but not old enough to remember Hohenheim.

Pride- Created by Dante. Dante's Masterpiece, is the first, and only, homunculus created that can age like a normal human.

Lust- Created by Scar's older brother in an attempt to resurrect his lover.

Wrath- Created by Izumi Curtis in an attempt to bring back her infant son (similar in origin to Envy).

Sloth- Created by the Elric Brothers when they tried to bring back their mother, the youngest of the Homunculi.

[DownwardDog]

Originally Posted by gin

so what, quite a lot of movies make in one way or another references to world war 2. (most famously star wars).
though i would see it more as a metapher for americans/arabs. führer just means leader...or as in zugführer or lastwagenführer also driver. in the german meaning it has also much of a connotation as a religious leader, so actually this term would be reserved for jesus...but hitler used it to enhance his personality cult (this is quite common in dictatorships...the korean guy or stalin did so as well)

1- yea i thought pride would be leader.

2- so what? just making a comment, that's all.

i don't see any resemblance at all to the american/arab conflict. the US doesn't use the term führer. it's not a dictatorship. and the US isn't leading an ethnic cleansing campaign against arabs (actually thats the philosophy of their radical sect). i'm no big fan of the war right now, but nobody's lining up & intensionally killing women & children b/c of their tribe or race, eg. nazis.