Needless

[MrBlank]

I think for this matter Link has more "evidence" to support his theory.

[Pidjiken]

Originally Posted by LinkSword

That's an absolutely pointless supposition/assumption. You're still basing yourself on the Needless-TTGL comparison you all make, which for me is pretty stupid, in all honesty. The manga was animated because it was succeeding and selling well, duh, just like any other manga adaption in Japan. They probably didn't even think about TTGL as an incentive to make the anime more successful - actually it would be the other way around, as it's shown by half the universe thinking at the moment that Needless is plagiarism.

Besides, we're missing the point here. The thing is, Needless copied nothing from TTGL. If anything, people could think it was the opposite. It sounds equally retarded to me but at least it's chronologically logical.

Vivi put it best although I don't remember exactly how she worded it. Neither show is original but they both follow the same mindless awesomeness. They are very similar series in that regard. The first one animated, was TTGL, and regardless of what you say needless as the second one animated will always be viewed as the clone by anyone who honestly doesn't give a shit about manga, and there are a lot of people like that.

I'd never even heard of needless before it was animated to be honest, TTGL was everywhere though.

Originally Posted by MrBlank

I think for this matter Link has more "evidence" to support his theory.

He has evidence based on when it was written, I'm not talking about that as frankly I don't go looking for obscure titles in manga nor do I even care. Basically when it gets animated that's when I'll start giving a fuck, and if I find it to be a fantastic series I'll do some digging. Needless was very average in my eyes. TTGL was much much better, if he wants to go chronologically from when the thing was written then fine, but we're not talking about getting someone to read manga here, we're talking about people watching anime. In that regard TTGL was first.

[LinkSword]

Originally Posted by Pidjiken

regardless of what you say needless as the second one animated will always be viewed as the clone by anyone who honestly doesn't give a shit about manga, and there are a lot of people like that.

You mean retarded people? One thing is not knowing the facts and criticising, all of us do that to different extents sometimes. And another thing is to know and still label a show as something that it is not. In that case it's not just the accusation what's really stupid, but the person itself. It doesn't matter if the person doesn't care about manga, if you tell them all this and they still insist on the same thing that just means their brain rot away long ago.

It's not strange that a manga that's being successful in Japan is unknown outside the country until an anime shows up. Anime is way more extended than manga in foreign countries. As a recent example I could mention Shiki. Until the anime was announced I had no clue about it, but upon some little research I found that it's usually in the top 10 best-sellers. But examples aside this happens with pretty much every show. Had TTGL started as a manga, it probably wouldn't have been reknowned until the anime kicked off.

[MrBlank]

Well i can't say anything about TTGL as i have not seen it yet. So i cannot give any more input on this "clone" matter until i watch TTGL and compare the two.

[LinkSword]

You don't really need to watch it for this matter, as it's not a clone and that's just obvious. Do watch it though because TTGL is well worth it.

Anyways I'm leaving this discussion now. You may be talking about two anime, but I'm talking about two series, which in the end is what counts objectively. I guess you watched Needless under the impression of it being a clone, and now you're looking for arguments where there really are none because you don't want to replace that way of thinking. Basically what you say is that what you watch first is what is original and the next thing you know is a copy regardless of which, in fact, came first. To me that kind of reasoning is totally nonsensical but eh, if you want to say that Dragon Ball is a clone of Bleach or that Twilight is the first vampire story I'm not going to stop you, but don't expect me to cope with it either.

[MrBlank]

Personally i think that the word "clone" in anime is rather useless. Why there are animes that are similar is someways they still have there differences. So no matter how you look at it can an anime really be a clone of something when they are about two completely different things? That is my opinion in this matter.

[captaincrunch]

TTGL was sorely lacking in the Simeon Girls Force department tho ;)

I don't see how anyone can say Needless is a clone in anything other than spirit and manliness. Space vs Earth, Special-powers for the protag vs none, mecha vs non-mecha, etc etc.

High-adrenaline shounen's all follow roughly the same formula. The next one that comes out (fingers crossed it's soon) will likely seem the same as well.

I suppose, following that logic, after Rocky was made every underdog story (boxing or no) is just a knockoff.

[DeanDriveGod]

Ok I know that this is just an opinion but I thought that Needless was a little better than TTGL.

[unitzero]

well I forced my way through this finally since it was on Netflix. Just skimmed this thread.... TTGL is in my top 50 of all time, this unfortunately is not, I give it 2/5. The story was weak overall, and the fights, while kind of cool, just felt vapid. Maybe it was because I've see so many shounen fights, I need something a little more, or maybe it would have worked if they were even more over the top? The best episodes by far were near the end when they explained the back story, I think they were called AB and AA. More ecchi would have actually made this better, Disc should have been in a bikini the entire time, etc etc. Anyway

[MugiwaraMarius]

Seriously? More over the top? I don't even think it would be possible for Needless to get more over the top in fact that's why I loved it. To me Needless is TTGL tuned to 11 and it kept that intensity in every episode which is why I enjoyed it way more than TTGL. I'd agree the story isn't exactly it's strong suit but even that I liked more than TTGL. I didn't find Needless plot to be insipid at all I think there was enough story to justify the crazy fun action. To me it was pure fun and I actually marathoned the entire show in a single day. When it comes down to straight up GAR action I think Adam Blade stomps all over Kamina without the cheap emotional moments they tried to force on Kamina's character. However I also realize that Link, CaptainCrunch and I are the only ones that heavily prefer Needless to TTGL.