Tag scrub has begun

[VivisQueen]

Originally Posted by Drahken

I think the vast majority of dystopia series fall under the banner of post-apacalyptic, rendering the dystopia tag rather redundant.

I'd say that's a grossly misinformed assertion. Post-apocalyptic and dystopia are mutually exclusive in terms of meaning. Just because they come hand-in-hand in some anime, doesn't mean they are synonymous, or that one incorporates the other. The important point about post-apocalypse is that the disaster can take any form: a giant tidal wave wiping out half the earth, or a plague of locusts, nuclear war, break-out of disease... it's some massive rupture that rearranges how humans live on a massive scale. Dystopia on the other hand almost always refers to a fictional world of socio-political corruption, breakdown and/or disorder. And sothis, honest to God, how difficult can it be to ask 'is the setting after some natural disaster' OR 'is the setting a future world ridden with social ills'?

Kaiba/Jyu Oh Sei - dystopic, but not post-apocalyptic (it's a bad place to live, but the story's events don't happen after some natural/social disaster)

Akira/Kurozuka - dystopic AND post-apocalyptic (it's a bad place to live AND the story's events happen after some natural/social disaster)

Neon Genesis Evangelion/Chrome Shelled Regios - not dystopic, but is post-apocalyptic (it's not a bad place to live, but the story's events happen after some natural/social disaster)

I can understand the argument that the dystopia tag isn't used too often, but not that it's difficult to grasp/identify.

EDIT: Incidentally, the Satoshi Kon tag was incredibly useful for me too. But sothis already mentioned that there'd be a list of important names, or some extra info that goes into the entries showing directors and stuff, so I'm presuming you just click on that to find the list of things they've worked on. It's not like the names are going away - they're just going to be in a different part of the entry.

[valondar]

Originally Posted by Drahken

I was always confused about the existance of the people tags, people connected with a series just aren't something that belongs as a tag.

Sure it is. Just the same way people make a big deal about so-and-so directing a movie or so-and-so starring in it, there are 'name' talents in anime. In the case of directors and/or creators especially there are often strong thematic connections between their works - you usually have a fair idea of what to get from one you're familiar with. Try having a conversation about Paprika without the name Satoshi Kon cropping up.

Originally Posted by sothis

hm , not sure what i was thinking of when i confirmed it being a feature but there's no plans for that atm.

Oh. Well, why not hang onto them until there is?

Just a thought, but I find 'person' tags by far the most useful. I admittedly may be the only one to do so but they're certainly my favourite kind of tag and the only ones I've regularly browsed. I have in fact browsed all the director tags at one point or another.

[VivisQueen]

Well if that feature is not coming, then I suggest keeping the name tags as well. I DO find them useful. Especially for working through Satoshi Kon titles. Since Tokyo Godfathers, I decided he wasn't an emotionally dead person afterall, and I look forward to finding more stuff specifically by him.

[sothis]

i think valondar misunderstood the quote - drahken asked if theres a way to see series that have no tags, thats what i was saying isnt planned.

a people database is planned, but not for v3.0.

besides, the tags are already gone; i could reinput them but that would be wasted time. there essentially will be an expandable spot on the top of the anime lists to filter by tags (and other items - advanced search really).. we have 140+ tags, that will be an insanely tall height. hence getting rid of tags that arent really used or things that will be replaced with other elements in the (nearish) future like peopel tags.

[Drahken]

Yeah, I was talking about some kind of situation where instead of going to anirec.com/anime/tags/mecha, you could go to anirec.com/anime/tags/* or /tags/null or something of the sort & get a list of all series which have no tags assigned to them.

[SaberUK]

Originally Posted by VivisQueen

Why did dystopia have to go? That is a very useful tag and easy to identify, no?

I agree, Dystopia is a useful tag to identify stuff with

-TheGeekLord

[sothis]

it had 4 anime associated with it.

[Zakiel]

There is always opposition to any change.

[SaberUK]

In my opinion, tags should not be deleted because they only have a few items related to them. They should only be deleted if they are undescriptive or vague.

Besides, i can not believe that there are only 4 anime which were associated with that tag (i can think of at least 3 which can be tagged with Dystopia, there is bound to be at least 10-15 which can be tagged with Dystopia)

[VivisQueen]

Yes, for example, is there a reason why Now and Then, Here and There doesn't have a 'dystopia' tag? Because it's a classic example and really should have one.

Considering you're a sci-fi lover, sothis, there should easily be a million things you've watched that are dystopias.

EDIT: Oh my God, worse than that, it has a 'post-apocalyptic' tag! It's not a post-apocalyptic show because there was no big disaster preceding the story. In fact, the anime never explains why the world is all arid. It just is. So is this where you're getting confused?

EDIT2: Just looking at my list, these are anime I can identify as Dystopias. I haven't checked whether they have that tag already or not. The working definition is on wikipedia (which includes a great range of examples): in sum, a dystopia is a world with a BAD SOCIAL SETUP.

Code Geass - what if Britain enslaved the world?
Jyu Oh Sei - set on a prison planet where survival of the fittest overrides any 'civillisation'
Kaiba - a galaxy where people can transfer memories with all sorts of terrible consequences
Metropolis - robots are hapless slaves and the poor have no rights and/or say in politics
Now and Then, Here and There - a world ruled by a tyrant who uses boy soldiers and destroys other towns just cause he can
Pale Cocoon - it even says 'dystopic' in the synopsis.


There was one where I was sitting on the fence:

Kino no Tabi - every town Kino visits presents a bizarre/shocking social setup that is disturbing and/or thought-provoking e.g.

the town where people executed each other until there was only one guy left, or the one where they had a gladiator-style contest, or the one where the books were heavily regulated

(what I'm not sure about is that she visits mostly dystopic towns, but not every town is dystopic and the world in its entirety is not presented as such)