General Rules and Categories - Must Read!

[Cetonis]

Vivi3: Fixed. Although, note that A-P generally lists anime by the year they start, not end, so that's not the best gauge to go by for these purposes.

Valondar: The movies are there, including those two.

[valondar]

Yeah, you're right I missed that, my apologies. However Franz Kafka's A Country Doctor should be there for best movie if La Maison en Petits Cubes is available.

[VivisQueen]

Originally Posted by Cetonis

With the Op/Ed thing, that was more or less an issue of avoiding gray areas; pick out on or two categories where they'll probably work okay and people will wonder about a third or a fourth.

Dude, that's because they are perfectly elligible for the third and fourth. Not because they might work 'okay'. For most of the categories, you have no justification for excluding them, except for a misguided belief that OVAs and Movies somehow have to be excluded just for being OVAs and Movies. If you think about it, there is no reason whatsoever why they are excluded from the genre sections or the character-related stuff, or the music-related stuff. A good sci-fi is a good sci-fi regardless of whether it's 2 hours long or 26 hours long. A badass male lead is a badass male lead regardless of whether he's in a series or an OVA. And I still am not hearing any convincing reasons.

The budget thing is fair enough, but that ONLY works for Best Animation (and there, I would accept the exclusion). It's horrible to think I can't vote for Detroit Metal City in Best Comedy, or Mnemosyne in Best Female Lead just because they have a higher budget and shorter length.

[valondar]

Also I agree with VivisQueen. How, honestly, can La Maison en Petits Cubes not get a best drama nod? There's more raw emotional impact packed into those twelve minutes than most anime could do in twenty-something episodes.

And I personally wouldn't accept the animation exclusion. There's a bigger budget and so what? If something got the best animation of the year it got the best animation of the year. A series with a bigger budget is going to best series with smaller budgets anyway, what's the problem?

[VivisQueen]

Also, Major Movie was never subbed (anidb has no listings, and I'd be on that mofo like a rash if I knew it was available) - you mentioned that shows that weren't subbed might not get put in the list until they are. Just giving you a heads up in case you weren't aware of this.

[Cetonis]

I never said being 2 hours long makes something worse. In fact, it can be argued that it's an advantage, as it *only* needs to maintain quality for 2 hours. Or, as you've mentioned, people might argue that it does make it worse. This is the disconnect, the reason why they can't necessarily be put up for comparison to the general public. Even if you personally feel you have a way of thinking of the two in a way that makes you confortable comparing them, a lot of people won't compare them by the same standards you do, or not feel comfortable comparing them at all.

edit: Major: Yeah, as you know this process started over 6 months ago; some things were left on the list on the presumption that they could/would be subbed and we didn't want to forget them by accident. will remove it.

[valondar]

Okay. But IMHO Franz Kafka's A Country Doctor really should be eligible for the movie section. It won the Ofuji Noburo Award and if one is really including shorts such as Cubes it can't really be excluded either (particularly as it's a significantly longer work).

I promise to get off your case now. Sorry, I'm tired and perhaps not in the best of moods.

[Cetonis]

Kafka appears to be from 2007 -.-'

As I said, I'm not virulently opposed to opening up just the OP/ED to movies and ovas, and finding some good time number to go by for including them with the rest of the series. My concerns on those two points are more about people pushing the gray areas than anything else. (this 3-hour ova is in, why not this other 2 and a half hour one?)

[VivisQueen]

Originally Posted by Cetonis

I never said being 2 hours long makes something worse. In fact, it can be argued that it's an advantage, as it *only* needs to maintain quality for 2 hours. Or, as you've mentioned, people might argue that it does make it worse. This is the disconnect, the reason why they can't necessarily be put up for comparison to the general public. Even if you personally feel you have a way of thinking of the two in a way that makes you confortable comparing them, a lot of people won't compare them by the same standards you do, or not feel comfortable comparing them at all.

I also never said being only 2 hours makes something worse. I'm questioning your assumption that being only 2 hours instead of 12 somehow makes a difference to whether your comedy is funny; whether your characters are engaging; whether your mystery is thrilling; whether your music is catchy; and whether your your plot is entertaining. If time and budget really make such a difference, then why are you not distinguishing between 12 ep shows and 26 ep shows? Heck, why are 50 ep monoliths being judged against 12 ep small-fry? You get what I mean? You're assuming time and spread of budget somehow makes a difference to the quality of such elements as plot, characterisation, and entertainment value. When, in fact, they don't. And, as of yet, you haven't actually given the public a reason why you think this. Have you got an example that you can show us? Is there a reason Detroit Metal City's shorter length/budget necessarily makes it less or more entertaining than Itazura na Kiss? If you can't actually come up with a genuine reason, then you've got an unjust skew.

Moreover, if people have such vastly different reasons for comparing the types of shows, then the distinction between OVAs/Series made here is rendered irrelevant anyway.

Finally, your list of Best Supporting Characters is the same list you have for Best Male/Female Leads e.g. Lelouch for some reason is listed in Best Supporting.

I'm going to leave it at that, and also get off your back. Good luck with the tallying and other duties.

[valondar]

Well, fuck me. Consider my comment withdrawn. I really should sleep or fact check first. Sorry for being an unsupported dick, Cetonis.